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April 22, 2007

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Getting the Message

By Greyhawk

John Boehner:

Earlier this year, top Democrats in both houses of Congress refused to attend a bipartisan briefing offered by General David Petraeus to discuss the challenges in Iraq. Next week they’ll have another chance when the General comes to Capitol Hill to brief lawmakers in the House and Senate on our progress in the Global War on Terror.

General Petraeus was unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate to be the U.S. commander of the Multinational Force in Iraq. He has a clear track record as a straight-shooter and as someone who gets things done. So one has to wonder why next week’s important briefing almost didn’t happen. According to Roll Call, when the Pentagon tried to schedule the briefing through House Democrats they were declined – twice – because Democrats were originally “too busy” to schedule anything.

Hey, I'm pretty busy these days, too.

(Via The Tank)

Boehner is a Republican congressman - so it should be noted that Democrats would probably characterize the events (or non-events) he describes in a different light.

Likewise, the Democrats have little to fear from attending hearings with General Petraeus. While they might not like what they hear, that will matter very little - because American voters aren't going to hear it anyway. That's simply a matter of supreme confidence in their own complete domination of the field of message control.

Case in point from this week: Harry Reid declares the war is lost. In most regards this is a "dog bites man" story. But take a look at the circumstances in which he made the comment:

Reid, the Senate's top Democrat, described part of a meeting with Bush at the White House on Wednesday -- the same day bombs killed almost 200 people in Baghdad in the worst day of violence since a U.S.-backed security crackdown was launched there earlier this year.

"This is the message I took to the president," Reid said at a news conference.

"Now I believe myself ... that this war is lost, and that the surge is not accomplishing anything, as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday," said Reid, of Nevada.

We'll talk violence in a moment. First, the boring part - that meeting. The meeting itself was to discuss the supplemental funding bill (aka the Iraq withdrawal bill - aka the 40+ billion in pork projects bill) currently making it's way to the President for veto. Want details of the meeting? Here are all the details the story provides:
In their meeting, Bush and congressional Democrats failed to settle their fight over funding for the Iraq war, as lawmakers pressed Bush to accept a troop withdrawal timetable.
And that's that. Probably 90% of Americans have no idea the meeting occurred. And certainly few realize that (as in the Petraeus story above) Democrats initially tried to present an attitude of "not interested":
“What the president invited us to do was come to his office so that we could accept, without any discussion, the bill that he wants,” Pelosi said at an afternoon news conference in San Francisco to discuss her trip to the Middle East last week. “That's not worthy of the concerns of the American people. And I join with Senator Reid in rejecting an invitation of that kind.”
But for whatever reason they had a change of heart, the meeting occurred, Senator Reid promptly declared the war lost, and the meeting itself became a sub-paragraph in a story devoted to that comment. And that, good friends, is message control - and Republican congressmen would do well to note that before taunting Democrats about attending meetings.

It does make for quite an exciting headline - especially on a day when nearly 200 Iraqi civilians are killed. And as noted, most of the rest of the details are boring - math stuff, even. For instance, what of the 40 billion in pork? Was it discussed in the meeting? Will it be a political payoff to eliminate the withdrawal conditions? I'd like to know - and it certainly seems that even the most partisan Republican or Democrat might share that concern - albeit with slightly different focus. But from the reporters, nary a peep...

*****

But certainly some questions deserve an answer. How goes the war? Who is winning? Those did get some attention in the coverage of Reid's declaration that it's "not us":

Reid, the Senate's top Democrat, described part of a meeting with Bush at the White House on Wednesday -- the same day bombs killed almost 200 people in Baghdad in the worst day of violence since a U.S.-backed security crackdown was launched there earlier this year.
<...>
Suspected Sunni al Qaeda militants detonated a string of bombs in mostly Shi'ite areas of Baghdad on Wednesday. The worst was a truck bombing that killed 140 people in the deadliest single insurgent attack since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
That certainly is an example of fate smiling on the Democrats - albeit with a sinister smile. While violence occurs daily in Iraq, to have one of the most horrific attacks in history occur on the day of the meeting with the President is certainly an act of providence they could not possibly welcome.

As it was when the exact same thing happened three weeks prior, immediately before the congressional Spring Break:

March 24, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - A sharply divided House of Representatives voted yesterday to order President Bush to bring combat troops home from Iraq next year - a victory for Democrats in an epic war-powers struggle and Congress' boldest challenge yet to the administration's policy.
March 25, 2007:

BAGHDAD — Suicide bombers struck in force across Iraq on Saturday, killing at least 46 people and wounding scores in an explosion of street violence after days of relative calm.

In the deadliest attack, a man driving a truck with explosives hidden under bricks detonated his bomb at a police station under construction in the south Baghdad neighborhood of Dora, a Sunni insurgent stronghold.
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Another suicide bomber detonated his explosives in a candy store in the northwestern city of Tall Afar, killing 10. Three more struck checkpoints and a police station in the northwest, along the border with Syria, killing six.

Later:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A suicide truck bombing in the northern city of Tal Afar last week is the deadliest single attack since the Iraq war began in 2003, a high-ranking Iraqi Interior Ministry official said Monday as a new death toll for the blast surfaced.

The Wednesday attack -- in which a truck packed with 4,000 pounds (1,814 kilograms) of explosives detonated in a Shiite area of the city -- was initially blamed for 85 deaths, according to an Iraqi army officer in Tal Afar who estimated the death toll Thursday. Hundreds of others were wounded.

But the Interior Ministry official said Monday that the death toll was 152, making it the war's deadliest single attack.

Until this week*.

Pure coincidence?

No:

To achieve their second goal, turning Americans against the war, the mujahideen need to shape their operations "to support anti- war sentiment in the west", he says.
Let's not go tinfoil hat here - the Democrats aren't in collusion with al Qaeda. It's a simple matter for the terrorist group to time their attacks to coincide with very public, and very scheduled events in the United States. One doesn't need a "mastermind" to intuit that - it would be tactically ridiculous to act otherwise.

Of course, message requires medium - and we have media. One might expect someone therein to notice the synchronicity of operations and recognize something beyond divine providence or the whims of war...

Reid, the Senate's top Democrat, described part of a meeting with Bush at the White House on Wednesday -- the same day bombs killed almost 200 people in Baghdad in the worst day of violence since a U.S.-backed security crackdown was launched there earlier this year.

"This is the message I took to the president," Reid said at a news conference.

"Now I believe myself ... that this war is lost, and that the surge is not accomplishing anything, as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday," said Reid, of Nevada.

...or not.

Violence isn't boring - it is something else entirely. Something of which we are not fond - something we prefer not to dwell upon, something we choose not to examine in too great detail - it is far easier to condemn it, then turn away without noticing the gory details.

This, good friends, is al Qaeda message control.

*****

So given their supremacy in message control, one might think it a good tactic to appear to be grabbing the Democrats by the hand and forcing them to sit and listen to General Petraeus - someone who may be able to garner at least some attention for the counterpoint. But if Congressman Boehner - or any other individual - believes the Democrats will be intimidated by hearing the message a politically neutral (although deeply involved at the pointy end of policy) and ostensibly respected visitor might bring to the table, he'd best think again.

"The most urgent priority for success in Iraq is security, especially in Baghdad. Eighty percent of Iraq's sectarian violence occurs within 30 miles of the capital. This violence is splitting Baghdad into sectarian enclaves, and shaking the confidence of all Iraqis. Only Iraqis can end the sectarian violence and secure their people. And their government has put forward an aggressive plan to do it.
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"A successful strategy for Iraq goes beyond military operations."
-- President Bush announcing the new strategy for Iraq, January, 2007
"Coalition and Iraqi soldiers and police have had some tough days as well. It is such violence that Iraqi and coalition forces will work together to reduce in the months ahead, recognizing, to be sure, that some sensational attacks inevitably will continue to take place, though every effort will be made to reduce their number by identifying and destroying the networks and facilities of the bombers, and by interdicting those who would visit such violence on the Iraqi people.

"We and our Iraqi partners recognize that improving security for the Iraqi people is the first step in rekindling hope. The upward spiral we all want begins with Iraqi and coalition forces working together and locating in the neighborhoods those forces must secure. This concept features Iraqi and coalition soldiers partnering with local police to establish joint security stations, such as the one we began establishing in Sadr City on Monday, as well as combat outposts to ensure continuous presence in local communities.
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"As citizens feel safer, conditions will be set for the resumption and improvement of basic services. This is hugely important.
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"Indeed, our operations will endeavor to provide Iraq citizens and leaders a chance to mend that fabric. If we can do this -- and I do believe that Iraqi and coalition soldiers and police will be able to improve levels of security for the Iraqi population -- then the Iraqi government will have the chance it needs to resolve some of the difficult issues it faces, to develop the capacity of its institutions, to improve the delivery of basic services to its citizens and to reconcile the differences between the factions that are the stakeholders in the new Iraq. Our effort, thus, will be to provide the Iraqi government an opportunity to shape the future of a new state in an ancient land.
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"In an endeavor like this one, the host nation and those who are assisting it obviously are trying to determine over time who are the irreconcilables and who are the reconcilables. And they're on either end of the sectarian spectrum, of ethnic spectrums, political spectrums and so forth. And of course, what the government is trying to do, what those supporting the government are trying to do are to split the irreconcilables from the reconcilables and to make the reconcilables part of the solution rather than a continuing part of a problem, and then dealing with the irreconcilables differently. And that is certainly what the government of Iraq is doing and what those who are supporting the government of Iraq -- what the coalition is also doing, in very, very early stages.
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"With respect, again, to the -- you know, the idea of the reconcilables and the irreconcilables, this is something in which the Iraqi government obviously has the lead. It is something that they have sought to -- in some cases, to reach out. And I think, again, that any student of history recognizes that there is no military solution to a problem like that in Iraq, to the insurgency of Iraq. Military action is necessary to help improve security, for all the reasons that I stated in my remarks, but it is not sufficient.

"A political resolution of various differences, of this legislation, of various senses that people do not have a stake in the success of the new Iraq, and so forth, that is crucial. That is what will determine in the long run the success of this effort. And again, that clearly has to include talking with and eventually reconciling differences with some of those who have felt that the new Iraq did not have a place for them, whereas I think, again, Prime Minister Maliki clearly believes that it does, and I think that his actions will demonstrate that, along with the other ministers."

-- General Petraeus, first briefing from Baghdad, March, 2007.

Nancy Pelosi, the House speaker, challenged President Bush on Saturday over his threat to reject an Iraq spending bill if it calls for a troop withdrawal...
“With his veto threat,” she said in a statement, “the president offers only an open-ended commitment to a war without end that dangerously ignores the repeated warnings of military leaders, including the commander in Iraq, General Petraeus, who declared in Baghdad this week that the conflict cannot be resolved militarily.”
That, good friends, is message control.

*****

But certainly, in speaking to congress, General Petraeus can "clarify" issues. After all,

When questioned directly, Petraeus said he would not be able to do his job as commander of MNFI without the additional 21,000 troops President Bush has pledged to Iraq.
...and,
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) asked Army Lt. Gen. David H . Petraeus during his confirmation hearing yesterday if Senate resolutions condemning White House Iraq policy "would give the enemy some comfort."

Petraeus agreed they would, saying, "That's correct, sir."

...but,
Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), until recently chairman of the Armed Services Committee and a co-sponsor of one of those resolutions, later explained to the general that he needed to be more careful about appearing to wade into a political debate and warned Petraeus to not let himself be trapped into portraying members of Congress as unpatriotic for disagreeing with President Bush.
Proving that Republicans can practice message control, too.

And anyhow, if the General doesn't behave himself, and insists on talking "political" issues, well, the Democrats are ready for that, too...

*****

Senator Reid was a busy man this week:

Flanked by two former Army retired generals Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid (D.-Nev.) blasted President Bush for “clinging to a failed escalation strategy” in Iraq and “failing our troops and our country.”

One general went so far as to say that active duty military officers were being used as “props” by the Bush Administration.

Reid is scheduled to meet with the White House this week to negotiate the Iraq supplemental spending bill Congress passed before Easter recess that contains a timetable for withdrawal. President Bush has vowed to veto any bill that would cut funding for the troops or dictate a withdrawal date, but Reid said “the President is not going to get a bill that has nothing on it.”

With a banner behind them that said “Support the Troops” and “Transition the Mission” Reid stood with Ret. Lt. Gen. Robert Gard and Ret. Brig. Gen. John Johns and said that the surge should be abandoned.
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Gen. Johns said active service military officers, like Gen. Petraeus, were being used as “props” by the administration. “The American people need to be told the truth. The only reason I speak out as a retired officer is the President, as all Presidents do, use the active duty military as props to make it appear that the military is united behind his policy.”

The only things new about the Democrats using Generals are the specific names. Last year they had a different crew.
Batiste and two other retired officers spoke before the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, a rump group with little legislative clout but access to a proper Senate hearing room. And Batiste made up for lost time.

"Donald Rumsfeld is not a competent wartime leader," said Batiste, wearing a pinstripe suit, calling himself a "lifelong Republican" and bearing a slight resemblance to Oliver North. "He surrounds himself with like-minded and compliant subordinates who do not grasp the importance of the principles of war, the complexities of Iraq or the human dimension of warfare. . . . Bottom line: His plan allowed the insurgency to take root and metastasize to where it is today."
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Batiste and his colleagues offered their solution: more troops, more money and more time in Iraq.

"We must mobilize our country for a protracted challenge," Batiste warned.

"We better be planning for at least a minimum of a decade or longer," contributed retired Marine Col. Thomas Hammes.

"We are, conservatively, 60,000 soldiers short," added retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who was in charge of building the Iraqi Security Forces.

That call for a surge was why they had to be replaced on the podium, of course.

You probably heard that last year's generals had called for Rumsfeld to be fired - but did you know they had called for a surge?

That, good friends, is message control.

2006 - before shifting strategy: Failed strategy

2007 - after shifting strategy: Failed strategy

That's called sticking to the message.

*****

And if you'd like to see a subtle shift in message - how about this: In the early days of the surge, Democrats wanted to pretend it hadn't begun. Now - with implementation half way accomplished, it's a complete "failure".

What you don't read (or don't know) is part of message control, too.

One thing generally absent within stories that bring "into question the US-backed security plan for the capital" are any attempts to answer said questions. But explanations of exactly what Coalition Forces are doing are available and unclassified - in the broader details - thus there's no valid reason to leave the reader to conclude that the answer is "nothing".

But for reasons as inexplicable as the motives behind suicide attacks on university students, most reporters are content to do just that.

So don't read this, either.

*****

But we began by discussing a possible meeting between General Petraeus and congressional members next week. (And oh by the way, that day might be a good day for a lock-down in Baghdad.)

So is this meeting hopeless? No - significant advances can be made. In the interest of readiness, the General may want to request a copy of upcoming schedules - or at least a couple of days "heads up" to any future key votes or meetings on their plan for withdrawal. If the Democrats don't see that as a threat to message control, they'd probably oblige.

That bit of take-away intel probably won't counter the negative impact on American military efforts from the inevitable press releases and bumper sticker quotations masked as news stories that result from the briefing, but it just might save a few American and Iraqi lives.

*****

In the interest of fairness, here's one last key message, without additional comment:

Added Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war."

*****

UPDATE (April 27): Was I right or wrong? A post-briefing followup here.

*****

Notes:

*Sharp readers will note that this week's "deadliest single attack since the start of the war" killed fewer people than the previous "deadliest single attack since the start of the war" - but I see no point in quibbling over which data point/sound bite is most accurate - they are both bad.

But here's a story you didn't read about that bombing in Tal Afar.

And here's another example of message control. (And in all the brouhaha over McCain and Ware, who knew they agreed on the fundamental points? Another example of message control? You bet - I got a million of 'em...)


Posted by Greyhawk / April 22, 2007 3:23 PM | Permalink

19 Comments

Good job putting this together, thanks for the efforts. The enemy at home is fast becoming our priority in this long war.

Papa Ray
West Texas
USA

Maybe the Democrats won't go to the propaganda show from Petraeus for the same reason that Bush can't find anyone to take that "war czar" job: Everyone with any brains knows that it's over with. Petraeus is just one more incompetent loser.

General Sheehan had a real opportunity for his opinion to matter, turned it down, then promptly wrote an opinion piece for a newspaper.

It appears he's chosen the arena in which he feels most comfortable, and it ain't Teddy Roosevelt's.

"Petraeus is just one more incompetent loser" - yes, that's the message Reid and his latest Generals want to get across, thanks for clarifying for the slow kids.

But c'mon Willy, you can do better than that. I left the best example of successful "message control" for you to try here - you've done it before and you just came close, but you know you're not quite there yet.

I'm counting on you...

Yes Willy, I deleted the insult you left.

By the way, have you read this one:

Al-Qaeda's deputy leader has described the US plan to send 21,500 more troops to Iraq as a gamble that is bound to fail.


In an audio tape posted on the internet on Tuesday, Ayman al-Zawahiri also criticised the Democratic Party for not changing US policies.

He said: "The people chose you [Democrats] due to your opposition to Bush's policy in Iraq, but it appears that you are marching with him to the same abyss, and it appears that you will take part with him in the defeat."

Probably not, that was the al Jazeera coverage last February - they ain't carrying the water, as we say on the farm.

Here's how it was reported in America:

Now It's Personal: Al Qaeda Calls Bush an Alcoholic Liar


The latest taped statement from al Qaeda is an unusually personal attack on President Bush, in which al Qaeda's No. 2 in command, Ayman al Zawahiri, denounces Bush as "an alcoholic, liar and gambler with an addictive personality."

Their "hurry up" to the Dems might have soured the message. (Link)

This, too:

BAGHDAD — Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr ordered his ministers to quit Iraq’s government on Monday in protest at Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s refusal to set a timetable for a U.S. troop withdrawal.
But hey, who says messages can't be shared?

Greyhawk, PLEASE, READ IT ALL. You are right, it is not a smart move on their part. But both parties NEED to learn to work together. Don't like it, TOUGH, do it! This is exactly what you were elected to do. Our young people (military age) are watching this circus and do not think it is funny, AT ALL! I've already had them come to me and say, " We don't see support for this war from either side, from the Administration or the Legislature." When they talk, the key word is "SUPPORT". They see this word as meaning more than just milblogs and debates. They see it as "blood, sweat and tears" + MONEY, yes, no tax cuts until this new military is built, up and running. This money would also go to the ongoing cost of war. These are just some thoughts from some of the people, you are trying to attract to the new military. They come from a long ancestry of patriots trying to serve this GREAT NATION. These are their thoughts, I submit them to you for your consideration. Grumpy

Don't misunderstand me, but I'd like to hear more about these anti-tax cut folks in the military.

For instance, most of us are okay with the fact we don't pay taxes in the war zone. Are you saying there's a ground swell of those who want to give that money back?

Or do they just want other Americans to pay more taxes?

I haven't met these people - you have, and I'm interested in their thoughts.

Respectfully,

Apologies - I mis-read you. ( I read it all, but not carefully enough) you were referencing "young people (military age)" - not military people, but I got it wrong. (No fault of yours.)

Disregard my question, please accept my apologies.

If possible, please pass on to them that although recruiting and retention numbers are (http://www.mudvillegazette.com/milblogs/2007/04/13/#008500) strong, if they meet the requirements they can join the service. Taxes will rise or fall in response to other forces.

Challenge them with this quote - from the Teddy Roosevelt link in my comment above:

Shame on the man of cultivated taste who permits refinement to develop into fastidiousness that unfits him for doing the rough work of a workaday world. Among the free peoples who govern themselves there is but a small field of usefulness open for the men of cloistered life who shrink from contact with their fellows. Still less room is there for those who deride of slight what is done by those who actually bear the brunt of the day; nor yet for those others who always profess that they would like to take action, if only the conditions of life were not exactly what they actually are.

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It is war-worn Hotspur, spent with hard fighting, he of the many errors and valiant end, over whose memory we love to linger, not over the memory of the young lord who "but for the vile guns would have been a valiant soldier."

Even the brightest young folks are often surprised to discover some of the fundmental issues were confronted by their grandparents, too.

Greyhawk, no apologies needed. These people are finishing training in the military technologies, needed in the future GWoT. One of the core values of the group of young people in my discussion group is this, "The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified shall be directly proportional to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation." This was a comment by a young radical of his time. The quote is from General George Washington in 1789. When you compare the Walter Reed issue and the whole Military/Veterans Healthcare System being consistently under funded, you begin to understand the young people. You have made progress, but there is still a great deal to be done. You can not solve these problems with funding cuts. We need to replace weapons and troops with new of both of them. We need to understand, this will be a LONG war. I am talking of many, many generations, 1000's of years. This would not surprize me at all. Greyhawk, now you see why I made those statements. If I'm wrong, GREAT! But, depending on what you know of the region, I think you'll find I'm right. Arrgggh!!! I hate that I'm right. - Grumpy

Greyhawk,

The tax cuts for people in theatre, DON'T EVEN THINK OF TOUCHING THAT MONEY!! There are people who are armchair generals, support the war but make absolutely no sacrifice. These the people who are my target. In WWII, there was a Constitutional Declaration of War. There was a spirit of sacrifice for the whole nation. We just don't have that same spirit in our nation.

Have Great a Week,
Crumpy

Here is a message that I think Americans could get behind:

There is a democratically elected government in Iraq under attack by the disgruntled, by Nazi emulating Baathists, and by external forces. This Iraqi government may fall at the next election. We will not let it fall to violence.

from:

We will not let it fall to violence.

Grumpy,

Please explain economics to the kids.

Tax cuts have increased government income beyond expectations. Despite our Congress critters spending like drunken sailors.

"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified shall be directly proportional to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation."

Very true - and that brings up another example of message control.

For the most part the Army has done well in this area - exceptioanlly well. But two factors exposed by the Washington Post have revealed their shortfalls. I won't defend them, but I will explain them.

The first is a run down building on Walter Reed. Why were troops housed there? Short answer: Because Reed was slated for closure and spending funds for a "temporary solution" to a problem seemed a (fiscally) bad idea.

The second is the greater issue. In broadest terms - bureaucracy has made the system unbearable to those who must function within it. Is there a cure? Good question, I suppose we might find out.

So there are problems. And hopefully they'll be fixed, but the Walter Reed scandal (to use shorthand) offers two opportunities to those of political persuasion - they can appear to "support the troops" while simultaneously sending a message that "this country" doesn't support it's veterans. (To succeed at this you have to ignore that this problem existed literally right under their congressional noses - geographically and financially - for quite a long time. There's that message control again...) Their goal is to discredit the administration, of course, but the harm is done to the military whether they like it or not.

Which sort of sounds like the loyal opposition's position on the Iraq war in general. I could welcome their "suport" for the wounded troops at face value if that wasn't the case.

It should be noted that "fixing" Walter Reed is a bi-partisan issue (no one can afford not to be "outraged") but watch who uses the "veterns are cast aside" sound bite long after they've quit paying attention, forgoten the details, and "moved on" to something else.

Excellent, GH.

Warner's comment about politics to Petraeus: I thought Warner overreacted. Petraeus answered a direct question about the military effect of political atmospherics, a legitimate military concern the General should always be aware of. He has to assess the effect of troop morale on the mission every day, and domestic events are part of that. To say the General shouldn't say what might and might not impact the fighting effectiveness of the force is wrong. Such questions are "military" as much as the are "political." The politicians can deal with whatever that ill effect is apart from the General's testimony, but chastising him was wrong. If the Dems are making reckless comments for political effect, they should be confronted with the consequences. The military shouldn't be protecting their feelings.

The Dems are two inches from the cliff, and they know it. Go too far in jerking the troops around on funding, and their party is ever more the feckless, spineless loser party. They're trying to straddle that line, but I see a trainwreck on the horizon for them.

Well said, Jordan. And you've brought up another point in the discusszion of message control: how far can the envelope be pushed?

Pelosi's (and others) counter to the "Dems are witholding funding" issue is that if the President vetoes the curret "spending Bill" then he will be the one witholding funding - because it includes all the money the military needs!

This is both true and absurd - there's no point funding a war with a built in surrender date anounced to the enemy loudly and clearly. I can't see how anyone, Democrat or Republican - "pro" or "anti" war - could possibly support the action. (Although 40 billion in bribes goes a long way, but that's another issue.)

(By the way, the Dems acknowledge that the Bill hasn't got a chance - a longer post on that later.)

But the "Bush is the one denying funding" argument is made. Why? Because Pelosi has supreme confidence in her domination of the message, and doesn't feel the need to go beyond a bumper sticker argment. Is that confidence misplaced in this instance? I've seen no evidence of it - even though this seems to be pushing the envelope to an extreme.

Which will allow for a greater push later. Until then, American morale falls, enemy confidence rises, Iraqis and Americans die, and Democrats will shape a message that it's not their fault - they're trying to stop it. (The slaughter that follows our surrender won't be their fault either - bet on it.)

The Dems real strategy is "slow bleed" - keep the war going with greatest possible losses until enough people "jump ship" to their side and they "pick up Senate seats as a result of this war." (An oval office, too.) Then they'll guide the country as it should be. (Translation: figure something out.)

M. Simon,

You have written two emails, let's try to address both of them. There is a concept in warfare called the, "economy of force". I feel like I am in the center of a tornado, here we go. First, FACT- We are in Iraq, we're there. We have the mistaken idea, we are in charge-WRONG! We need to start learning from history! If we go back in history to the Viet Nam War in the late 1960's, there was a tragic accident on the USS Forrestal. This was an event caused by the use of WWII era weapons. People at the time did not consider the fact, that over time, certain types of weapons become unstable. This fact, plus the fact that they were at sea, creating a volatile mix causing a fire in many sensitive areas of the carrier. Yes, we lost many sailors on that horrible day. Why? The leaders at the time wanted to save money. Guess what, we're still paying for that war. The real cost is not just in money but the impact it has on real lives. This concept of "Economy of Force" covers many things. "Logistics" in this constantly changing World. Increasing the "Size of the Force" with a high tech force, who can make the most of the new technologies. We need to learn how to fight smart. Then we have a large monster called Military/ Veterans Healthcare. We need to deal with this now, for the log-term. Failure means everything just stops.

(To be continued in a second panel)

Grumpy

M. Simon

(Second Panel)

These young adults, you call them "kids", none of them have less then a masters degree. There are no silver spoons or politician's kids in the whole lot. There is a friend of this same group who was a Navy Master Chief at Pearl Harbor on that Day of Infamy. He lost his son, who was a part of this group, on 9/11. But one of the things he said to me was this, "Grumpy, it is not that these young people may be or will be this country's 'greatest generation'. They already are the 'greatest generation', but the biggest obstacle to them is our own government, Congress and the Administration." It appears you are somewhat of an expert on the subject of economics. I would suggest to try teaching our Congress, both parties and both Houses and our complete Administration the concept of "Constitutional Economics. This would be the concept of meeting our responsibilities according to The U.S. Constitution." We lost this good man on Christmas Eve 2001. Thank you, Respectfully, Grumpy

Greyhawk, this issue about Walter Reed is far from all negative. The most recent BRAC round did not just ctlose one of the "Flagships" of the military medical hospital system, but two. The other being Wilford Hall in Lackland AFB, TX. This total task is a tough problem. It can be accomplished. Sen. Larry Craig R-Idaho, Ranking Member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee is recommending a new option for veterans with service-connected disabilities. It is called "Veterans Health Care Empowerment Act (S. 815). It provides VA care at local hospitals. Sen Craig is showing the courage of which you speak about in your post dated - April 23,2007 01:32PM. To me, this shows the VA's willingness to find new creative answers. It shows a strategy so the Military / VA Hospital system can expand and contract according to demand. My only concern is the sunset pcovision for the end of September.

Grumpy

Grumpy,

Yes. I understand economy of force. As you point out it is not about economy - at least not strictly. It is about keeping the enemy pinned and then applying overwhelming force (not excessive overwhelming force) to the desired objective. As BHL Hart points out - concentration can depend on dispersion. i.e. dispersion may be required to keep an enemy pinned.

However, that does not address my point that lowering taxes increased government revenue.

Red tape? It has always been with us.

Divided government in the midst of a war? Read about Lincoln's troubles in 1864.

There is nothing we face today that we haven't faced before.

Right now our strategic objective should be defensive. The Iraqi government must not fall to violence. Which does not necessarily mean that to accomplish the defensive objective you go strictly to a defensive posture. Offence in support of the defensive objective is required.

BTW I can call them all kids - I'm 62. Former Naval Nuke - so I get the education bit. It took over 2 1/2 years of training before I became a rod yanker on my ship. The Bainbridge - DLGN-25. Probably the geekiest job you can have in the military and still be part of the fighting forces.

So how do you get that message (defending Iraqi democracy) out?

I do blog posts. And comments.

You counter message with message. And you stay on message:

There is a democratically elected government in Iraq under attack by the disgruntled, by Nazi emulating Baathists, and by external forces. This Iraqi government may fall at the next election. We will not let it fall to violence.

This is going to be a very long war. We will defeat the jihadis the same way we defeated the USSR. Microwave ovens, Color TVs, MTV (or Youtube for this generation), cell phones. Basically we need to destroy the tribal nature of their family structure. You do that with washing machines, and dryers. Empowerment of women. End honor killings. End arranged marriages.

To carry on this war for the amount of time required is going to require a strong economy. It may mean less sacrifice not more (except for sacrificing envy).

Which runs down the grand strategy (somewhat).

Our objective in Iraq? The Iraqi government will not fall to violence.

Patton saw all this coming (sort of):

"To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Muhammad and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing"

At least Patton understood that we need to end the subjugation of women and the end to the "Insah Allah" attitude. The Maker helps those who help themselves is the new way of thinking.

Defend Iraqi Democracy

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[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004