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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! March 9, 2007 Dead for nothing in OhioBy GreyhawkOr simply: "Teach your children". Looking back at the anti war movement of the 1960s, one can see that Iraq isn't really like Vietnam on the homefront, either. But some would have it otherwise. Recently an odd character showed up in the comments on a MilBlogs post about protests in Seattle: Oh, cool overtly statist assumption. Many of us are against the war, the state's war, against the war of military hardware against children and, more importantly, social guerillas who are not chickenhawks, who can actually fight against the empire, but we are not against all violence. The fight, our fight, is against the coercive authority of governments and capital, against the commodity spectacle and state-military apparatus. More and more of us are beginning to realize that self-defense (from cops, especially) is not violent in the same way as capitalism and statism. We like to call it liberation. How about you haul your overweight, white, tv-addicted [pottymouth! deleted by blog owner] out to the next anti-militarization demo in Tacoma and try to [pottymouth! deleted by blog owner] stop us. Some of us even carry slingshots loaded with epoxy studded with broken glass for patriots like you, mother[pottymouth! deleted by blog owner].Those edits were mine, btw. Turns out the individual was posting from a computer at Oberlin College, "a small, selective liberal arts college in Oberlin, Ohio". (More on that idyllic spot in the comments that followed.) Shortly thereafter, the same person returned. Time will come when you won't see protesters just laying down and taking punishment from the cops, you'll see the violence of the righteous, the truly free, the war of liberation, to end the wars of nations and postindustrial capitalist bloggers. Seriously, though, even though I am not personally in Tacoma, come on out to an antiwar protest with your protestwarrior buddies, with your flags, beer, whatever, just come on out and have a good time getting hit in the face with slings and axe hafts. This old structure you're defending is riddled with dry rot, and every blow we strike takes us closer to total collapse, which we read as total victory.Now, threats of violence on weblogs really won't get too much of a rise from folks whose jobs involve the application of real violence, and who don't share your romantic illusions about combat. (You'll soon see that described as "the sort of rubbish one would expect from privileged white youth who had no experience of real violence and its effects" - read on.) But the comments from "Deacon" did prompt a couple responses from a couple concerned members of a (most likely) slightly older generation: Seriously, Deacon - on the off chance you might actually be serious - here's some honest advice I've given before. If you're a young college student, your seniors in "the movement" would really like to see you killed while protesting - believing it could really help advance the cause. Don't fall for the line of crap you're sharing above. We've had a few chuckles here at your expense, but I'm really not kidding now. Deacon,It did indeed, and it left those students irrevocably dead. Folks like "Deacon" are always around. By "Folks like Deacon" I mean young people who've convinced themselves they're willing to die for an actual pointless cause (but believe themselves invincible), and who have elders perfectly willing to facilitate the sacrifice for it's potential advancement of their own ideology. (The very myth that same faction applies to the American soldier young and old.) But the current scarcity of such is another reminder that the desire for Iraq to be "another Vietnam" is still a dream for those same elders, many of whom remember Kent State all too well and fondly, and yearn for the rebirth of a movement perhaps just a few dead protesters away. Dean Kahler was inspired by one of his professors in 1970: "We were invading another country. I thoroughly agreed with the history and political science department at Kent who, the next day, on May 1st, buried a copy of the Constitution because they felt that he had overstepped his powers as Commander-in-Chief by sending troops into another country. The mood kind of changed on campus at that point in time."A few days later he would be shot and paralyzed by an Ohio National Guardsman. Perhaps it was a more innocent era: The fact that the Guard members carried live ammunition shocked the protesters and students covering the protests as journalists, along with many people across the nation.Perhaps that poli/sci prof believed the weapons were merely phallic symbols, too. Or perhaps not. Philip Caputo is a Vietnam vet, USMC. He returned to the U.S. in 1966, and left the Corps to began a career in journalism, reporting for the Chicago Tribune. An early assignment to Kent State would lead - years later - to his book 13 Seconds: A Look Back at the Kent State Shootings In the spring of 1970, I was a 28-year-old general assignment reporter for the Chicago Tribune, three years out of the United States Marine Corps, with which I had served a tour of duty in Vietnam. In March, the paper had sent me to cover a student protest at the University of Illinois in downstate Champaign-Urbana. What happened at Kent State is unintelligible without placing it in the context of the times, and Caputo does so quite thoroughly. In the book he explores the genesis of "the Movement", from the early days of Students for Democratic Society (SDS): The New Left, as it was called, was led by the SDS, and the SDS had been hijacked by its most extreme elements. They emerged at the SDS national conference in the summer of 1969. Formed in 1960 at the University of Michigan as the student arm of an old-Left organization, the League for Industrial Democracy, the SDS had been involved in civil rights causes and in inner city community organizing projects during the early sixties. Tom Hayden, a leader of the Democratic convention protests, later a California state assemblyman and one of Jane Fonda's husbands, had been among the SDS's founders. It might have remained a small, obscure band of quasi-socialist idealists had it not been for the galvanizing effect of the Vietnam War. By 1969 it had grown to one hundred thousand members in three hundred chapters across the country.That backdrop created the environment in which the Kent State tragedy occurred: Before reporting in to the city room Monday morning, I got a call from the day city editor. The disturbances in Kent had grown serious over the weekend. Store windows had been smashed in town, radicals had burned down the ROTC building, firemen had been driven off by mobs slashing hoses and throwing stones, and the Kent city police were unable to cope with the situation. The Ohio National Guard had been ordered in and were now occupying the university. The national desk wanted me to get there immediately. Evidently my coverage of the University of Illinois demonstrations the month before qualified me as the paper's campus protest correspondent.On return to Chicago, he visited Northwestern University I found red flags of revolt hanging from the windows of dormitories, frat houses and classroom buildings. At strike headquarters, on the third floor of Scott Hall, coeds were painting signs calling for an end to the war – as their mothers or older sisters might have painted signs urging the NU Wildcats to beat Wisconsin. Sound trucks blared rock music. In front of the Technological Institute, physics professors sold black armbands to symbolize mourning for the dead in Ohio. One, Dr. Martin Block, hawked them with a sense of humor: "Armbands. Armbands. Any contribution will do. Help a physics professor." The light-hearted pitch belied his emotions. "The protest movement in the academic community got going again with the Cambodia involvement," he told me. "The Kent State incident was like a bomb going off, and the echoes of that explosion are being heard across the country."Something everyone who dreams of the glory of slings and axe hafts should read. (An NPR interview with Caputo and additional excerpts here.) Posted by Greyhawk / March 9, 2007 1:11 AM | Permalink 1 TrackBackA short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention. Read More 13 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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Great post! Living in Ohio at the time of the Kent State shootings was intense. Ohio State pretty much closed their campus down, fearing a spread of the anti war violence. It seemed one incident away from the proverbial powder keg exploding.
Brought back some painful memories
I remember Kent State like it was yesterday. I was 11 years old. My kids had not heard about Kent State in school and when they left for college, I told them the same thing my mom told me. If there was a riot, to get out of there. People like deacon think the 60s and 70s were thrilling. They are fools.
If you didn't see Hannity and Colmes on Wednesday night, March 14, 07, get the transcripts for the part about the black councilman who told "his people" that if the 5 policemen don't get indicted for murder for the black man shot 50 times after running into a police car, then they should do whatever it takes to stop taking that kind of abuse from the police.
Thankfully todays youth are nothing more than spineless cowards....keyboard commando's if you will living in their mothers basement. People like Deacon should be mocked and ridiculed extensively.
It is an interesting discussion.
Our nation was founded on the belief in the right to revolt. As such I think there will always be a group of people dissatisfied with the system and wanting its overthrow. A testament to our great nation is how small these numbers are. One of the most profound characteristics of the American is our innate and overriding sense of fairness. More than any other society of culture on earth we value that ideal. This is as true as if it was a Marine conducting traffic on a Baghdad street, an orderly line at a local store, or the framing of an entire constitution. A fair fight, a fair argument, a fair chance. If there was a thing about our government that people felt institutionally unfair, like Segregation, then you would see as massive uprising of the people as we did in the early 60s. It is our great blessing that the leaders of that Civil Rights movement learned so well the principles of Satygraha from Gandhi and applied to their struggle.
That movement could have a gone in a tragically different direction. Which is why MLK easily makes any list of top 5 Americans.
The stupidest thing I have ever seen however these counter protesters. These "gatherings of eagles". More like a gathering of morons. You cant help a small part of the population being against the system, even if it was Utopian, there is an inverse proportionality of the quality of the society to the Girondist radical. Just as no society will ever be perfect, this % will never be nil.
No amount of self appointed, self indulgent neo vigilantism will ever change that. All you are doing is attempting to provoke violent conflict with an element who can ONLY gain voice through violent conflict.
So this moron Duncan or someone likes him shoots a slingshot with glass shards in someone's face. What is your response? Do you have the courage of Gandhi or John Lewis? I doubt it. I think you will use that as a justification to bring weapons to "defend yourselves", which the fringe will definitely provoke you into using and then gain a megaphone and the ability to polarize Americans.
Morons, the lot of you. A pox on both your houses.
Wow, that's an interesting read. Proof, yet again, of the old maxim that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
As for the 'anti-protestor protest' love shown in a previous comment, I suggest you read the part in the article regarding thermometers. The Gathering of Eagles will be there to PROTECT the Wall. You know, the same one the protestors are willing to deface? It won't spark any more 'violent sparks' than do, say, the Patriot Guard Riders. Those guys and gals do their warriors justice by showing great respect to the family and keeping away the crazies who want to 'make a statement' whilst the family says their last goodbyes. Please, list me the accounts of the times THAT has gone violent and polarized the nation against them. You probably won't have much of a list, but then again, you don't have much of a point wasting three paragraphs deriding it, either. Even if there were a 'conflict' of some sort, you've got all manner of veterans on one side and all manner of dregs on the other. Wonder which side is likely to be victorious in such a scrap.
You have to understand the Eagles don't care about the percentages of the "Girondist radical" versus the "quality of the society", especially when said "Girondist radical" is willing and eager to deface something that they hold dear. That wall is like unto a memorial and tombstone for every person who fell in that war, a major symbol--and often a personal one. Sure, you might suggest the Gandhi route of letting the crazies do whatever they want... but that's another thing well out of context of history. Gandhi called for MASS civil disobedience by a majority in a totally non-violent manner in response to an oppressive outside government system. Let's see which of those apply to this situation... hmm... Mass civil disobedience? Nope, this is a small-scale operation. Non-violent, maybe (cetainly not on the protestor's side). Majority? Nope, that's why they are 'fringe'. Oppressive outside government system? Nope, the protestors are neither representative of an outside force nor a form of government. Sorry, not tracking here. We've seen what these 'radicals' will go to, just a few days ago a Canadian warrior was blindsided and assaulted for no reason, requiring hospitalization. Hmmm. That brings up another point, that Gandhi certainly didn't have to deal with SAVAGES, but a people that he knew and understood well having learned among them. He counted on their own civilization teachings and ethical beliefs to cause them to restrain themselves. Judging by Mr. Slingshot, I'd say the radicals really don't HAVE much of either. Counting on that to restrain them is just silly. I mean, read the article, read modern ones. Broken glass, vandalized objects, burned buildings. Surely you could see where such is going?
But, for all that... http://gatheringofeagles.org/?page_id=83
And not to seem harsh to Mr. King (for his accomplishments were indeed great), but MLK had the support of a MAJORITY of the population. It's why the Civil Rights movement worked so well without any sort of second Civil War to ensure it. It wasn't that some people thought the system wasn't fair, it was that a majority of people knew the system was WRONG. Not in the aspect of order and law (it had been, and was still legal in many places), but in a good vs evil standpoint. Thus, his peaceful and non-violent approach was perfectly suited to the situation. Actually, it meets all of Gandhi's criteria, one reason it worked so well. In simple terms, he saw a screw and used a screwdriver, as opposed to beating it down with a nail. Same instance for both. If a majority had violently been against such, it would have been a lot less simple and probably not effective, 'fairness' wouldn't be an issue. This is why I see no problem with the whole supposedly apocalyptic scenario of 'polarizing Americans'. It won't increase the fringe side, but the SANE side, the one that realizes that if whackos think they can deface a national memorial without opposition, then said crazies are incredibly wrong. And generally the said side with agree with the defenders. Exposing nutjobs for what they are to the public sphere is a GREAT idea, one reason I hope the Gathering of Eagles goes well. The 'radicals' are free to try and instigate any sort of violence they want... usually they count on it to advance their cause but, in this instance, it looks like they're going to hang themselves with it. It's a win-win situation either way... they either back off and don't deface a national monument, or they get exposed as jackasses. I can live with that.
In any case, sorry about the novel of a post, but the fact that someone came in and decried something as noble as the Gathering of Eagles made me a wee bit upset. Especially when the article responded to was a great history lesson that pretty much disproves every point the comment brought up.
It isn't noble.
Its not your job and unless the local law enforcement has asked for your presence, which in the case of a anti war protest, I HIGHLY doubt they will, you will be just adding to their list of concerns of those whose duty and obligation it actually is.
In my mind you are no better than the people who show up at the Klu Klux Klan marches to protest them.
You asked for a time when your kinds of vigilantism polarized this nation?
Birmingham or Nashville in the early 60s.
I have yet to see one proclaimation of the Gathering of Feebles that embraces or exhorts non violent countermeasures. Should I see this, I will immediately take back every word I have said disparaging it.
But what training have they had to conduct themselves in the discipline of non violence? All I see is the confrontional language of a bunch of middle schoolers gearing up for a playground fight.
btw.. who defines what constitutes a provokation is?
What if they insult YOU personally?
What if they spit in YOUR face?
What if they burn a flag?
Once it stops being about the monument, and starts being about YOU... you have failed.
as a mea culpa, I read the GoE mission statement, and I was heartened by its ideals, and if it can live up to them, then it is a positive force.
But any mission without training or planning is a disaster.
And the real concern is that people there become targets for the lunatic fringe rather than inanimate objects where paint can be scrubbed off.
I would much rather spray paint on the cement of the monument than blood. Both are easily removed, but spilled blood tends to beget more spilled blood
Mammal - I guess you have failed to read the Gathering Of Eagles homepage. Their philosophy of non violent defense of our monuments is front and center. You don't even need to scroll down...
Go read it.
Almost sounds to me like you are LOOKING for a fight in order to confirm your opinion. I will be there, I will fight with no one. I have been at other counter protests before, I have been spit on, I have had my life threatened. I never raised a hand...
Back to the article. I was in my late teens and early 20's during the time period depicted. What the excerpts you posted failed to mention was the incredible use of pot, hash and LSD at the time. If the kids at Kent were anything like the kids at other campuses they were totally hopped up on drugs.
It is noble. It doesn't HAVE to be their job. Last time I checked, it wasn't the "radical's" JOB to be protesting, either. Unless one wishes to argue that they have no jobs and that is all they do, but lack of an employer or income from it would probably go against your approach. The fact that ordinary, non-batshit insane citizens decide to stand up for and protect the memories of those who protected them is a shining example of nobility.
I've been with the Patriot Guard Riders (though not a card-carrying member), and I've not seen the Police ever wring their hands that we can be a problem. In fact, I've had them thank us and say how THEY wish that they could join us, and how glad they are to have us around. I can't see this situation as being much different with the Gathering of Eagles, aside from the numbers involved. Police can only REACT to a changing situation. Thus, the wall would have to be defiled in some way before they could actually do something to stop the protestors. The ordinary citizens want to prevent that from happening to begin with. Proactive instead of reactive. Even the Police would like the option, since ordinary people are allowed to do things that they are not (like stand in front of something to keep it from being defiled, as opposed to dealing with the APB and BOLO that just came out from dispatch). But for some reason, Mammal does not like this.
I never asked for a time when vigilanteism polarized the nation, but thanks for the drive-by. I pointed out that polarization is not always a BAD thing, in fact, it's quite good when the elements are vastly different in size. You give your examples, but you'll notice the ratio of radical versus non-radical was MUCH different back then from how it is now. Now the radical element is much smaller and by far in the minority compared to sapient, sane American citizens.
"I have yet to see one proclaimation of the Gathering of Feebles that embraces or exhorts non violent countermeasures. "
I gave you a link in my previous post, Mammal. Here, I'll even quote it FOR you so you don't have to click:
"2. We are a non-violent, non-confrontational group. "
I expect you to apologize to them and take back what you said accordingly.
Mammal then rambles on with this: "But what training have they had to conduct themselves in the discipline of non violence?"
That's nice, I don't recall Gandhi ever having been trained in the discipline of non-violence (he was trained in LAW, and saw a loophole he could exploit). Nor MLK, for that matter. They did it as they went along, with all the pitfalls that entails. Apparently you're not willing to give the Gathering of Eagles a chance. That's not their fault, it's your own prejudice. They don't even NEED to be trained in 'non-violence'. The protestors certainly aren't.
"Once it stops being about the monument, and starts being about YOU... you have failed."
I agree. You have failed miserably in this regard.
As for the 'radicals', that's fine. Let them call names and cuss and spit and burn flags. Let it be on camera and let the whole nation watch their idiocy as true flag-bearing patriots look upon them with sadness or contempt. They want a polarization? That'll do it, right there. I'm all for people being as moronic as they wish, especially when it hurts their own cause. Looks like the 'protestors' are on track for ruining themselves. Why would I want to take away their chance at giving their movement a Darwin Award?
It is a concern that living people might become targets of the lunatic fringe. You apparently want to coddle and shield such people from the nasty world. What you fail to grasp is that, like Gandhi's followers, they're quite willing to be hurt so that they make an example. Whether they sit and take it or fight back is entirely their choice, but everyone will know who started it. Such sacrifice further supports the previous claim of this being a noble action.
Apparently you (meaning Mammal) are a fairly hardcore brand of pacifist. You know, the kind that actively LOOKS for a fight to not participate in. You've spent no small amount of time bashing people who follow similar, though less hardcore, worldview as being no better than the lunatic fringe which you (hopefully) also oppose. You DO realize that meek, do-as-you-will-with-me pacifism is merely one POSSIBLE solution and not the cure to everything, right? Our very nation exists now because our ancestors refused to meekly subject themselves to British rule for all eternity. Pacifism will be guaranteed to work against those who are disinclined to violence to begin with. You have to be prepared for it not to work. It's one tool in the box, not the end-all-be-all of human inter-relations. That being said, the Gathering of Eagles is going to TRY and use it against those disinclined to be nice to such approach. Why you are so dead-set on bashing them instead of praising them (they're following the route you want) is beyond me.
I understand what you are saying Babs, and to an extent, you are correct when you say I failed to initially read the mission statement. I have gone back and based on that information, I have modified my stance.
I truly wish you luck in your endeavor, but I am filled with apprehension because without proper training, organization and discipline then Non Violence is just a lip service.
Non Violence demands a belief in its user that you will win the battle by forcing the aggressor to see the injustice or evil in his actions.
If in 1960 in Nashville one of the young black men sitting in the lunch counter fought back, then the entire civil rights movement would have been set back and the south would have remained segregated for probably a few more years.
So it is with these GoE events. Telling everyone to just show up and expect the kind of discipline required is playing a dangerous foolish and irresponsible game.
GoE participants should meet a few hours or the day before and learn methods of non violent resistance.
I admire and am in awe of the self discipline you have exhibited Babs.. but in such a high profile, high charged and highly exploited event the actions of one person have the potential to outweigh those of the whole.
First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they attack you
Then you have won.
make no mistake, they will attack you, they will come after you. Because they know if they are able to provoke you into violence, then they have won.
Sending people into a situation like that without proper training is irresponsible and dangerous
Heh. I am by no means a pacifist.
I believe in using a hammer for a nail and wrench for a bolt.
It is my opinion that the best way to deal with these radicals is through obscurity.
Gandhi didnt receive training, but he certainly gave it. He was a teacher of this method. Also reference Reverend James Lawson.
As for an apology.. absolutely. It is my honest hope that the GoE continues to prove me wrong.. but I am not hopeful
I'd add another caution to both sides of the protests this weekend: beware the agent provocateur - the one on your side of the wall.