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November 30, 2006

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Seeking Clarity in Chaos

By Greyhawk

Flopping Aces continues to follow the stories on recent violence in Iraq.

But lost amidst the growing uproar over who Jamil Gholaiem Hussein is (which in any case offers little insight to the accuracy of his claims) are the more pertinent points reported from over the weekend.

This one should be easy to verify:

From morning until afternoon, at least four mosques were attacked in Hurriya, a mixed neighborhood in the capital. Two were destroyed, and at least 5 Sunnis were killed and 10 wounded, an Interior Ministry official said. A hard-line Sunni Arab group, the Muslim Scholars Association, said 18 people had been killed when one of the mosques burned down.

Here's CENTCOMs response. Eighteen people burned to death seems more significant than six, but note the source of the claim - the Muslim Scholars Association - the same folks who ultimately claimed 184 Sunni Mosque attacks in the wake of the Shrine bombing months ago.

To accept these stories as fact, you must accept that the Sunnis are unarmed and/or not willing to put up any fight when Shiites enter their neighborhoods to burn their mosques down with people inside them. That goes against most of what I hear about Iraq today (everyone has an AK 47 and each neighborhood has a militia), and the Muslim world in general (mosques are sacred locations) but I suppose it's possible that's not completely accurate.

Video of the destroyed mosques would certainly bolster the media claims. Since even in Iraq people carry cell phones with video capability, and since most terrorist groups video their acts, video of the attacks should be widely available on line any time now, but even video taken tomorrow of the aftermath would be compelling evidence.

This should be easy to verify too:

A Times correspondent in Ramadi said at least 15 homes were pulverized by aerial bombardment and families could be seen digging through the ruins with shovels and bare hands.
CENTCOM says it didn't happen. So to counter them, show footage of the 15 recently pulverized homes.

The death tolls may always fall into the unverifiable category, and the bona fides of an Iraqi Police Captain will be difficult to prove, but there are some more obvious elements of all these stories that could be supported - if not absolutely proven - with simple video.

Too dangerous? Hell, in these cases the US military might be willing to provide security for the media to go out and get the footage. Couldn't hurt to ask, then both sides of the dispute could see the reality together.

Or we can just pretend the important thing is the identity of Jamil Gholaiem Hussein.


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Many people have emailed me with an update on the Iraqi press conference. I received the same email as Michelle Malkin did but she was able to get a more complete transcript. First here is the email from Centcom: Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Curt: F... Read More

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Hmmm.

I'm frankly interested in seeing the Associated Press cough up an excuse for not presenting a Captain in the Iraqi Police. Because it seems fairly likely that he either doesn't exist at all or that he's definitely not a Captain in the Iraqi Police.

And the explanation given so far, that the "reporter" cum stringer "met" with the "capt." in an Iraqi Police Station, doesn't pass the smell test. If this were the journalistic standard for verifying identities then I should be able to pass myself off as a Supreme Court Justice by talking to a reporter somewhere in Washington D.C. or it's environs.

The accuracy of the burned Sunnis story is important, but Hussein's identity is also important, as it raises much broader questions.

If Hussein is not who he says he is, the AP would be bound to go back and examine years of reporting. If Hussein is not who he says he is, the AP may have to investigate the seemingly sole reporter who used him as a source... and all of that reporter's stories. If Hussein is not who he says he is -- and given the AP's reliance on another source at the same police station who was not a policeman (now wanted for questioning) -- then what assurance do AP consumers have that the other sources are who they claim to be? Even if the AP shot video of a burned mosque or four, whould we know whether they had been burned in other incidents?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/11/regarding_the_a.html

Why not use a videophone to show the world Hussein? And someone from the Iraqi gov't vouching for him?

Even if the burned Sunni story is substantiated, if it was presented by a bogus source, the AP has a serious problem that runs much deeper than this one story.

Am I missing something? In the original slew of stuff I though I read that there was NO POLICE REPORT of the burnings of six people to death?

Now it seems to me that if CAPTAIN JAMIL HUSSEIN PERSONALLY WITNESSED THIS EVENT, he would feel some professional obligation to file a police report, n'est pas?

The AP dragging up a grand total of 3 people who "saw it happen", while interesting, is still not terribly impressive.

I am still confused about why an "official" of the police department "saw" this happen and there is, apparently, no "official" report that it ever happened.

What is going on here?

And as GH said, the identity of Hussein is not the central issue. The news stories all said either 4 or 5 mosques were DESTROYED.

But they weren't. Destroyed, that it. The AP hasn't addressed that little issue.

Sorry. Left my reading glasses off again. Not terribly helpful when you can't type :)

You can't expect photographic proof so soon -- the photoshop process takes time to be completed correctly.

Of course AP could just name the precinct or unit the good Capt. Jamil is with....

Yes, very simple rules that take little extra time or effort leads to media transparency. One does wonder why they do not do those simple things?

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November 26, 2010


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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004