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October 22, 2006

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What They Said: Iraq

By Greyhawk

Between now and the elections, we'll post notable comments from politicians on their views of the future of US military involvement in Iraq. These will appear without any additional editorial comment except that which might appear in the source material. We make no claim on the accuracy of the quotes, and urge the reader to determine the difference between actual quotes and reporters' interpretation of quotes (Actual quotes generally have quotation marks) and likewise to be aware of the frequently appearing editorial ... indicating portions of a statement have been excised at that point.

The <...> appearing below are where we've deleted portions of the linked news story not pertinent to the comments, or beyond actual direct quotes. We encourage readers to click through to the links and "read the whole thing".

Our goal? An informed electorate.

Up first, some key House Democrats. From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., on Friday called for a sharp reversal of course in Iraq.

The spiraling violence is "deeply disturbing," Skelton said in a conference call with reporters, during which he called for the redeployment of U.S. troops out of Iraq. Skelton, of Lexington, Mo., is likely to become chairman of the House Armed Services Committee if Democrats gain control of the House in next month's congressional elections.

"Time is not on our side," Skelton said, noting that the situation in Iraq is deteriorating. <...>
Skelton said he wanted some troops to be brought home while others were stationed near Iraq in case they were needed to quell increased bloodshed or to prevent a foreign invasion of Iraq.
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Skelton was joined by Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., who would probably lead the House defense appropriations panel if the Democrats take a majority in the vote.
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"We've lost the hearts and minds of the (Iraqi) people, and we've become caught in a civil war," Murtha said. Failures such as the inability to provide residents of Baghdad with more than 2 1/2 hours of electricity a day have hurt the U.S. image, he said.

"The big problem in the Middle East is Iran," Murtha said. "We went to the wrong place."

Rep. Tom Lanton, D-Calif., who might be tapped to lead the House International Relations Committee, said Democrats were "united in opposing global terrorism and in recognizing the brutal and fanatical nature of our enemy."

"But we are also united in the belief that our current course in Iraq is unsustainable and counterproductive," he said.

Next, Senate Democrats, as quoted in the Washington Post:
No one speaks more authoritatively for the Democrats on defense and national security issues than Sens. Carl Levin of Michigan and Jack Reed of Rhode Island, both longtime members of the Armed Services Committee. If you want to know what Democratic gains in this midterm election would mean for national security policy, Levin and Reed can provide the answers.
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On Iraq, the two Democrats harked back to the amendment that 39 senators supported during a debate earlier this year -- an amendment that called for a start on U.S. troop withdrawals within six months but set no numbers and specified no target date for ending the U.S. military presence.

Reed, who has made many trips to Iraq and returned just weeks ago from his most recent visit, described the "very, very difficult situation" he found there. "We have to begin to work toward redeployment without setting a timetable," he said. "We have to start laying out some red lines for the Iraqis . . . give them some clear goals we want them to achieve." They need to set plans for disarming militias, conducting elections at the provincial level and spending some of the funds being hoarded in Baghdad on better services for the people, he said.

The position they all oppose is that of President Bush, so here's his latest radio address:

Our goal in Iraq is clear and unchanging: Our goal is victory. What is changing are the tactics we use to achieve that goal. Our commanders on the ground are constantly adjusting their approach to stay ahead of the enemy, particularly in Baghdad. General Pete Pace, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, recently put it this way: "From a military standpoint, every day is a reassessment day." We have a strategy that allows us to be flexible and to adapt to changing circumstances. We've changed the way we train the Iraqi security forces. We have changed the way we deliver reconstruction assistance in areas that have been cleared of terrorist influence. And we will continue to be flexible, and make every necessary change to prevail in this struggle.
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There is one thing we will not do: We will not pull our troops off the battlefield before the mission is complete. There are some in Washington who argue that retreating from Iraq would make us safer. I disagree. Retreating from Iraq would allow the terrorists to gain a new safe haven from which to launch new attacks on America. Retreating from Iraq would dishonor the men and women who have given their lives in that country, and mean their sacrifice has been in vain. And retreating from Iraq would embolden the terrorists, and make our country, our friends, and our allies more vulnerable to new attacks.
The New York Times says "senior American officials" are indicating a plan is developing that appears closer to that of Senators Levin and Reed. But the White House says it isn't so:
The Bush administration is drafting a timetable for the Iraqi government to address sectarian divisions and assume a larger role in securing the country, senior American officials said.

Details of the blueprint, which is to be presented to Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki before the end of the year and would be carried out over the next year and beyond, are still being devised. But the officials said that for the first time Iraq was likely to be asked to agree to a schedule of specific milestones, like disarming sectarian militias, and to a broad set of other political, economic and military benchmarks intended to stabilize the country.

Although the plan would not threaten Mr. Maliki with a withdrawal of American troops, several officials said the Bush administration would consider changes in military strategy and other penalties if Iraq balked at adopting it or failed to meet critical benchmarks within it.
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In a statement issued Saturday night, a White House spokeswoman, Nicole Guillemard, said the Times’s account was “not accurate,” but did not specify what officials found to be inaccurate.

President Bush is not up for election this year. And of the quoted Democrats above, only Jack Murtha faces a contender with a chance of providing any measurable opposition (but even she must overcome a 2-1 registration edge for Democrats). That candidate is Diana Irey, who supports the President on Iraq. Quote:"Every time we withdraw before a mission is completed we send a message of surrender."

Do you know your candidate's views?

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Yes.
Who's yours?
I did note that while the President talked about Baghdad,he didn't mention Balad.Do you think that's because he didn't realize that the Iraqi 4th Infantry Division,which had so recently stood up,sat back down?
Or do you think it's because the Iraqi Army is being equipped with cast-off Eastern Bloc weaponry? Like the Armored Division whose tanks were donated by Hungary?
Just wonderin'.

I agree that knowing the truth about our war effort is the a key to being a qualified U.S. citizen, and have been searching "milblogs", in addition to a number of other sources, in an effort to find out more. But I can't get these questions answered: (1) How much of the $70,000 per month, per soldier, do our fighting forces realize? I haven't heard about newly wealthy soldiers returning from their deployments or sending boxes of money home, so just where is this money going and how is it being spent? (2) It strikes me that we are not "winning" the war. Is that an incorrect impression and, if incorrect, what facts and achievements indicate that we are actually winning? If we are not winning, is it the level of effort or competence of our soldiers, the effort or competence of our military or civilian leaders, or some other factor that is causing this failure? (Please don't tell me that we all just need to support our president or our troops. This isn't some type of new-age mass meditation where if we all think of the same thing, really hard, it will somehow come true) What needs to be done to win this thing? And how will we know if we have won? I have lots of other question but let's start with these. Thanks to anyone who can help me find the truth.

(1) How much of the $70,000 per month, per soldier, do our fighting forces realize? I haven't heard about newly wealthy soldiers returning from their deployments or sending boxes of money home, so just where is this money going and how is it being spent?

I prefer to compare US military pay to the entire GNP of the United States, not just the "cost of the Iraq war" - we make it all possible. So I support a pay raise for me too!

As to your question 2, that's a good one. Stick around, looking for the answer is why we're here.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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The Mudville Gazette is written and produced by Greyhawk, who recently retired from 24 years of active duty in the US military, but will maintain this disclaimer: Unless otherwise credited, the opinions expressed are those of the author, and nothing here is to be taken as representing the official position of or endorsement by the United States Department of Defense or any of its subordinate components.

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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004