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 Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! June 8, 2006 Zarqawi Airstrike VideoBy GreyhawkHere's the video (note - no audio) released by CENTCOM, but their servers are apparently breaking under the load: (Via Donovan, who credits Chuck Simmins.) Note the house was indeed "isolated". And here's the video of Multi-National Force-Iraq spokesman MG William Caldwell addressing reporters in Baghdad about the killing of Zarqawi. Would have been nice if the camera could have moved to the various charts, but plenty of details here that the press hasn't covered yet. Also includes a narrated version of the strike video - which is shown on-camera - the entire thing is a definite must see. Heh: the remix. That didn't take long. Posted by Greyhawk / June 8, 2006 5:02 PM | Permalink 1 TrackBack(Previous related post here.) I don't have any inside information but I can still celebrate with a link roundup and a big smile. Hot Air is staying on top of the situation here and here. Michelle's updated her post here Read More 43 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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When the CentCom server recovers, the charts ought to be available for download. They usually are.
As I told one of the guys, it looks like a good excuse to upgrade your server.
The anti-war "Mainstream Media" are devastated this morning, as this successful mission flies in the face of everything they've been telling us.
They've falsely reported that there is NO connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda, so how can they tell you that the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq has been killed?
They tell you that U.S. Troops are failing, that they are in a quagmire, that they are reduced to animalistic acts of torture and mayhem. But today's mission was the result of months of hard work and planning by our brave troops.
17 other sites rolled up after they confirmed his death.
Stakeout sites that they were watching.
How many pers and how much intel on the remaining targets did they get?
A very good nights work.
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/
Go to Weekly Press Briefing for slides, transcript, video and air strike video.
Gosh, Greyhawk, a little obsessed with "the money shot," are we?
gringoVision salutes the American warriors who did their job and did it superbly. It will also have a good word for President Bush in this operation—-after the Americans who served in Iraq and who are now shackled in solitary confinement in the brig at Camp Pendleton, CA are unshackled and get at least as many privileges as do the jihad detainees at Guantanomo.
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“Haditha Crucifixion.” Illustrated.
Poll: U.S. Disapproves of War in Iraq
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The death of al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq came as more Americans than ever thought the war in Iraq was a mistake, according to AP-Ipsos polling.
The poll, taken Monday through Wednesday before news broke that U.S. forces had killed al-Zarqawi, found that 59 percent of adults say the United States made a mistake in going to war in Iraq - the highest level yet in AP-Ipsos polling.
Approval of President Bush's handling of Iraq dipped to 33 percent, a new low. His overall job approval was 35 percent, statistically within range of his low of 33 percent last month. The poll of 1,003 adults has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
Among other findings:
-More than half, 54 percent, said it's unlikely that a stable, democratic government will be established in Iraq, a new high in AP-Ipsos polling. The survey was completed before Iraq's parliament approved three key new government ministers. Just 67 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of conservatives, and 57 percent of white evangelicals believed a stable, democratic government is likely.
-Only 68 percent of Republicans, 57 percent of white evangelicals and 51 percent of self-described conservatives - key groups in Bush's base of support - approved of his handling of Iraq. Those most likely to disapprove are Democrats (89 percent), women (70 percent), minorities (84 percent), city dwellers (72 percent), those with household incomes under $25,000 (71 percent), and unmarried men (70 percent).
-Those most likely to believe the war in Iraq was a mistake are Democrats (84 percent), women (63 percent), especially suburban women (67 percent), minorities (76 percent), city dwellers (66 percent), self-described liberals (82 percent), moderates (64 percent), and Catholics (62 percent).
Good to see you cheering for your team, Willy. Because 95% of all Americans think you are an idiot.
Subsunk
Guys,
Regarding Allah's remix, which I DO love, I think the pictures everyone is using of the destroyed house are not the correct ones. I think that is a file photo of some other destroyed house the news folks just threw onto their reports because there are no palms around it like the video shows.
I also saw some footage of the real debris on Fox tonight and the place is covered with palms nearby. So as much as I love Allah's video, we should stipulate that it really isn't the house Zman was in when he was killed.
But I love the video for its "artistic" value nonetheless.
Subsunk
Gee subby where are the anguished cries of the sort that emanated from the so-called milblogs when the Times of London printed the wrong pic of dead bodies in Haditha? Awfully forgiving, aren't you? Different standards for your friends, it would seem?
WW, if you can show how video of the wrong house materially alters the substance of the "remix", I'll back you in your claims of "different standards".
Otherwise, I'll have to just assume your mommy is washing your blankie and you're upset about it.
Yes! Thank you. WW is *exactly* like that cartoon hellion baby, Stewie. Using unctuous language and 4 syllable words in an effort to be cutting and relevant, and then having to stop and request that someone change his diaper.
Good. Thank you for helping me put my finger on that nagging sense of familiarity.
Where I come from we call that 100/100.
100% of rounds hit, target 100% destroyed.
Some badass BDA, baby.
And there was much rejoicing...
I'm in need of a favor, WW.
I spent the last couple of days out and about the local neghborhood near Balad, had some very good discussions with the locals.
The poor souls seem to think we're winning.
Perhaps you could drop by and enlighten them.
"Gee subby where are the anguished cries of the sort that emanated from the so-called milblogs when the Times of London printed the wrong pic of dead bodies in Haditha? Awfully forgiving, aren't you? Different standards for your friends, it would seem?"
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 02:54 AM
Yup. As a matter of fact, Willy, I do have different standards for my friends. But you'll never know what they are, now, will you?
Subsunk
As a matter of fact, Willy, I do have different standards for my friends.
Always nice to get a wingnut to admit that he doesn't actually have any principles, but rather believes in situational ethics. Thanks, subby. On the other hand, you could always get up tomorrow morning and say something like, Man, was I drunk! I have no idea what I did last night! I understand this happens pretty often in the Navy. ;-)
"Always nice to get a wingnut to admit that he doesn't actually have any principles, but rather believes in situational ethics. Thanks, subby. On the other hand, you could always get up tomorrow morning and say something like, Man, was I drunk! I have no idea what I did last night! I understand this happens pretty often in the Navy. ;-)"
As I said, you'll never know, will you?
Subsunk
Check this out. It might be that Zarqawi was handed over to the U.S. by others in his organization. If true, that would put something of a different spin on it, no? It may well have been nothing more than a means of saving the time and trouble of doing it themselves.
Think of it as the equivalent of the mafia farming out its hits to the FBI. The mafia needs the work done, the FBI needs the credit. Everybody's happy.
http://w3t.org/u/r6z
Zarqawi was not a global mastermind like al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden, says the BBC's security correspondent, Frank Gardner.
Instead he was a bloodthirsty and violent thug, our correspondent says - who made enemies and several mistakes that might have contributed to his downfall.
These included ordering a triple suicide bombing against hotels in Amman, Jordan, last November, that killed 60 people, our correspondent says.
I spent the last couple of days out and about the local neghborhood near Balad, had some very good discussions with the locals.
The poor souls seem to think we're winning.
Perhaps you could drop by and enlighten them.
I am given to understand that Arab culture is similar to that of Japan and the American South, in that the art of telling people what they want to hear is taught from a very early age.
I assumed that the pictures of blown up stuff in the remix were pictures of things blown up by Zarquawi or his people, a litany of crimes for which the big Ka-BOOM was a fitting end.
It never once occured to me to think that the house was supposed to be the one he was in.
Zarqawi may have been shafted by one of his own?
That's amazing Willy, a mere 12 hours after we've posted about 12 entries discussing a topic at MilBlogs you put a comment here "breaking" the news.
It never once occured to me to think that the house was supposed to be the one he was in.
Why of course not, Julie. Why should anyone imagine that something called Zarqawi Airstrike Video should be a video of the airstrike on the guy's house? Kudos to you for assuming that anything you see on the so-called "milblogs" is nothing but mislabeled propaganda. I've always thought that myself, but it's nice to hear it from an airhead like you.
A good point Julie. It was lost on Willy, but then again, what isn't?
By the way, when someone reveals a complete inability to understand what you've said, then calls you an airhead, it's best to not bother responding, for what should be obvious reasons.
Synova?
An airhead???
LOLOLOLOLOL! Good Heavens to Mergatroyd, you just can't pay people to write more idiotic stuff than that!
"A good point Julie. It was lost on Willy, but then again, what isn't?"
- Direct hit, Greyhawk, Sir!
"when someone reveals a complete inability to understand what you've said,..... it's best to not bother responding, for what should be obvious reasons."
-You've got the right of it, Greyhawk; In the future I'll practice your better judgement in these matters; but...it may take a great deal of practice.
On a related note, here's a revealing exchange between Willy and another commenter on a previous thread.
In an attempt to be helpful, "Trevor" says to Willy (aka WW)
To which Willy responds:Of course, Trevor is an American soldier currently serving in Iraq. But that's the danger you run pretending this or any other milblog is a political site, and insulting commenters here accordingly. The Party talking points you cut and paste into a response wind up making you look very foolish (at best).I don't know that anyone is paying attention to WW. He doesn't debate... he talks over/past everyone else.
He's a spittle-flecked little guy with the megaphone, yelling at nobody in particular... you can hear him, but engaging him is pointless. Regardless of how effectively he's challenged, he just keeps repeating his spiel.
My you have an unusually stupid troll Greyhawk.
Shorter WW:
grumph gurgle, snigphat, belch, BUSH BUSH BUSH, gurgle, belch
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Good post, thanks for the video links, and congrats and THANK YOU to all involved on a well executed operation.
Given time it always ends the same way for these guys and that is deeply satisfying.
This is another illuminating exchange that I had with "WW" on another thread which was all I needed to convince me that there is no point responding to him as he is not here to debate, but rather just to annoy:
Posted by WW at June 7, 2006 03:09 AM:
Posted by Michael in MI at June 7, 2006 03:30 AM:
Posted by WW at June 7, 2006 03:51 AM:
In other words, "WW" is not here to have intellectual debate, he simply enjoys insulting everyone and all the attention he receives from people responding to his insults. Put simply, by the definition I gave above, he is a troll.
Michael, the so-called milblogosphere, which is actually nothing more than a propaganda tool for the far-right wing, is chock full of personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with the crackbrained view it advances.
You are typical of Greyhawk and his amen chorus: Ever ready to dish it out, but unable to take it. That spirit, writ large, is what we're seeing in Iraq. The U.S. defeat has all kinds of causes, but one of them surely is the inability to take criticism, admit error and make corrections.
Along those lines, my apologies to Trevor. I didn't know he is in Iraq. It's obviously incorrect of me to accuse him of being willing only to put others in harm's way, as is the case for most of the so-called milbloggers who post from the comfort of their houses in the United States.
That said, the near-exclusive focus of the so-called milblogs on wingnut politics is obvious to anyone who browses it. Look at Greyhawk's commentary on Zarqawi, for example. He just couldn't resist making it a statement on the defeatist left wing.
Look, Greyhawk, even your Liar-in-Chief isn't daring to claim that this is anything more than a symbol. Hell, I think it's a distraction, and close to a meaningless one at that. Soon enough, they'll gin up another Emanuel Goldstein figure for everyone to hate.
Well, the media, leftists, liberals and Democrats have officially lost their minds. Now, their conspiracy theory to try to spin the Zarqawi killing is that President Bush deliberately failed to kill Zarqawi when we knew where he was in Iraq in 2002, thereby allowing Zarqawi to justify Bush going into Iraq. Hmmm, that's interesting. From 2003 until now, Liberals, Leftists, Democrats and the media have been telling us that al Qaeda was not in Iraq until after we went in, in 2003. Now all of a sudden, they reveal (in the New York Times no less!) they too knew that Zarqawi was in Iraq, part of al Qaeda's Ansar al-Islam terrorist group, in 2002, before our 2003 invasion.
So the LLLs, media and Democrats have just spun themselves into being completely discredited and proven the link between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda prior to 2003.
Not as though any of us who have been paying attention to facts for the past 5 years needed to be told this, but it must be a really sad day in liberal fantasyland today as they realize their current conspiracy theory (Bush deliberately failed to kill Zarqawi in Iraq in 2002) completely discredits their previous lie (al Qaeda was not in Iraq prior to March 2003).
The sounds you may hear today are of liberal heads exploding all over the country as their worlds come crashing down upon them.
This is for Subsunk and all the others who hold different standards for terroists than they do for US soldiers.
It has to do with honor, something that is quite archaic yet not obsolete.
Honorable people treat other people of honor one way, and treat people who are dishonorable, another way.
Thus, while I would cut Z-Man in little itty bitty pieces and feed them piecemeal to the hogs and pigs as part of their slush, I would not do so to an enemy that behaved in a manner befitting an honorable combatant in war time. Honorable enemies deserve respect, and if you have to kill them, you do it with the least amount of pain as possible.
There is no shame in treating people the way terroists treat those weaker than they are.
WW demands respect and honor for himself and the media... but guess what? All he'll get is some pieces left over after the pigs are finished.
I would not do so to an enemy that behaved in a manner befitting an honorable combatant in war time. Honorable enemies deserve respect, and if you have to kill them, you do it with the least amount of pain as possible.
There is no shame in treating people the way terroists treat those weaker than they are.
I can see that the terrorists have won. They have turned the U.S. into their mirror image. We torture enemy combatants and civilians grabbed randomly off streets, and we commit massacres and then cover them up. Congrats, Zarqawi. You achieved more than you thought you would.
Oops, wrong coding. Corrected version:
I would not do so to an enemy that behaved in a manner befitting an honorable combatant in war time. Honorable enemies deserve respect, and if you have to kill them, you do it with the least amount of pain as possible.
There is no shame in treating people the way terroists treat those weaker than they are.
I can see that the terrorists have won. They have turned the U.S. into their mirror image. We torture enemy combatants and civilians grabbed randomly off streets, and we commit massacres and then cover them up. Congrats, Zarqawi. You achieved more than you thought you would.
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html#TORTURES
"Michael, the so-called milblogosphere, which is actually nothing more than a propaganda tool for the far-right wing, is chock full of personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with the crackbrained view it advances."
Potty Willy calls the kettle black.
"You are typical of Greyhawk and his amen chorus: Ever ready to dish it out, but unable to take it. That spirit, writ large, is what we're seeing in Iraq. The U.S. defeat has all kinds of causes, but one of them surely is the inability to take criticism, admit error and make corrections."
Willy admits he is unable to take, recognize or acknowledge criticism directed at him and could correctly put himself to sleep without a clue by four.
"Along those lines, my apologies to Trevor. I didn't know he is in Iraq. It's obviously incorrect of me to accuse him of being willing only to put others in harm's way, as is the case for most of the so-called milbloggers who post from the comfort of their houses in the United States."
Willy admits he leaps to conclusions without knowing anything about those he accuses of crimes, "amen choruses", and serving their country. Where was Willy when I defended my country for over 20 years without a peep of thanks form him or his comrades in Communism? He was watching TV and sitting in the comfort of his home. Pretty smart of you, Willy, to take on Men who did their duty long before you recognized what duty was.
"That said, the near-exclusive focus of the so-called milblogs on wingnut politics is obvious to anyone who browses it. Look at Greyhawk's commentary on Zarqawi, for example. He just couldn't resist making it a statement on the defeatist left wing."
If the shoe fits...... stick it up your ass.....
"Look, Greyhawk, even your Liar-in-Chief isn't daring to claim that this is anything more than a symbol. Hell, I think it's a distraction, and close to a meaningless one at that. Soon enough, they'll gin up another Emanuel Goldstein figure for everyone to hate."
I nominate Willy for said figurehead!
Quoted comments Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 05:18 PM
Unquoted are mine.
Subsunk
"This is for Subsunk and all the others who hold different standards for terroists than they do for US soldiers.
"It has to do with honor, something that is quite archaic yet not obsolete."
"Honorable people treat other people of honor one way, and treat people who are dishonorable, another way."
"Thus, while I would cut Z-Man in little itty bitty pieces and feed them piecemeal to the hogs and pigs as part of their slush, I would not do so to an enemy that behaved in a manner befitting an honorable combatant in war time. Honorable enemies deserve respect, and if you have to kill them, you do it with the least amount of pain as possible."
"There is no shame in treating people the way terroists treat those weaker than they are."
"WW demands respect and honor for himself and the media... but guess what? All he'll get is some pieces left over after the pigs are finished."
Posted by Ymarsakar at June 9, 2006 10:58 PM
Ymarsakar,
Respectfully, sir, I said I have different standards for my friends [and by extension my soldiers] than I do for terrorists. I expect my friends to behave better than the terrorists. I did not elaborate because I only post to antagonize Willy, since he is an idiot.
I apologize for not being clearer. But my friends treat the innocent with compassion and respect because they have Honor in great amounts. Willy and Terrorists treat perfectly inncoent people who do not fit their agenda with contempt and disdain. Zarqawi and his kind obscure the Truth of their existence with Death, hoping to hide their intentions and win victories by eliminating lesser beings who may one day rise up and slay them for the murderers they are. Willy obscures the Truth by twisting facts, casting blame on innocents, and rewriting and editing the facts of a story to ensure his enemies look bad, and his opinions are made to look positiviely godlike. He is a knave who twists the Truths we've spoken to make a trap for fools.
In Nazi Germany, they called that propaganda. Here it is called diarrhea of the mouth (or keyboard, if you prefer). Either way it is a sickness which deserves to be eliminated. Goebbels through his death, and Willy through ridicule for the charlatan, liar, and childish tantrum thrower he is.
Again, perhaps I should have been clearer of whence I spoke.
Subsunk
I would have disengaged the note to sub, because in retrospect the point I made wasn't about the troll phenomenon.
To clarify, what I really meant was that I agreed with subsunk in treating WW differently than say, people on Sub's side.
The point about honor was a separate one, related, but mostly about how I viewed things. The transition didn't communicate what I wanted it to.
What you, sub, said right now to clarify your meaning, was what I suspected you meant. So I wrote how I viewed such things. Since that got me thinking along that route.
Where was Willy when I defended my country for over 20 years without a peep of thanks form him or his comrades in Communism? He was watching TV and sitting in the comfort of his home.
Depends on when those 20 years were, subby. Could well be that I was paying into your beer fund, in which case you might want to consider thanking me for keeping you out of a welfare office somewhere.
Ymarsakar,
Yes, sir. I agree with everything you said. Thanks for your vote of support.
Subsunk
"Where was Willy when I defended my country for over 20 years without a peep of thanks form him or his comrades in Communism? He was watching TV and sitting in the comfort of his home."
"Depends on when those 20 years were, subby. Could well be that I was paying into your beer fund, in which case you might want to consider thanking me for keeping you out of a welfare office somewhere."
Posted by WW at June 10, 2006 07:17 AM
Willy,
Request considered and denied.
Go piss up a rope.
Subsunk
A Medieval torture technique was to get some rags or rope, then stuff it into someone's mouth while you pour water down on them until they swallow convulsively to avoid drowning.
This forces the rag material down their throat into their stomach, so that when you pull it straight out, it'll be quite painful. Perhaps WW should try this on himself, with the benefit of someone else pissing down the rags instead of using water.
Was homosexual rape a medieval torture tactic, or was that something that the U.S. military invented all by itself? Kind of interesting that the Army would do this, given the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Apparently the wingnuts approve of homosexuality as long as it's violent. All this and kinky, too?
"Was homosexual rape a medieval torture tactic, or was that something that the U.S. military invented all by itself? Kind of interesting that the Army would do this, given the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Apparently the wingnuts approve of homosexuality as long as it's violent. All this and kinky, too?"
Posted by WW at June 11, 2006 07:47 AM
Gee Willy, I guess we had to find something for all our "don't ask, don't tell" inductees to do to keep themselves busy all these years. Where the hell did this homosexual rape occur in Haditha again? Besides there is only one allegation of homosexual rape and it was conducted by the Iraqis themselves at Abu Ghraib, but under eyes of the US soldiers who encouraged it. See that's what happens when you don't actually get the full facts for your rants. If you actually read the reports instead of the news, you'd know what really went on.
Subsunk
Retired toothless ex-welfare queen who spent all his unearned tax money on booze and one of those long backscratchers so I could really scratch my nuts without my nonexistent dick getting in the way..... Any more slurs you want to tack on, Willy? My fingers are getting tired of typing them.