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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! May 29, 2006 Robert Dean StethemBy GreyhawkOriginally presented in three parts as the story developed, this review of the recent stunning events in the story of the 1985 murder of Navy diver Robert Stethem is compiled here as part of our Memorial Day 2006 Salute to the fallen. It serves as a grim reminder of the real duration of the war on "terror", and that even in times of "peace" those who serve do so at great risk. The story remains unfinished. The task is not complete.
This story is developing faster than I can follow it: Navy Diver's Killer Held In BeirutJeff Goldstein has background on the story here. Stay tuned for further developments. In an unrelated amazing coincidence, a German hostage was freed in Iraq. German hostage freed in Iraq isn't rushing homeHopefully she'll return "home" soon. It's not clear how many additional terrorists might be nearing the end of their life sentences in German prisons, should the need for more amazing coincidences arise. Terrorist Walks - For Now (2005-12-22 17:52:09) The Washington Times: U.S. officials yesterday said the killer of a U.S. Navy diver had been released from "temporary custody" in Lebanon but refused to rule out bringing him to the United States by force.In light of the the latest headlines - CIA prisons, "domestic" spying, etc, etc, ad nauseum, this is an interesting quote: "What I can assure anybody who's listening, including Mr. Hamadi, is that we will track him down, we will find him, and we will bring him to justice in the United States for what he's done," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.What would you think if he was "snatched"? What would Senator Jay Rockefeller say? Here's what happened that day in 1985: On June 15, 1985 Hezballah Shi'ites brutally beat, tortured and then killed 23 year old Robert Dean Stethem as he was being held hostage aboard TWA 847 commercial airliner. Robert was on his way home after a tour of duty with the US Navy in the Middle East. The terrorists had hijacked the plane with 153 passengers in Athens Greece forcing the pilot to fly twice to Algiers and twice to Beirut during the 17 day siege. The hostages were released after Israel released 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.The Navy's guided missile destroyer USS Stethem is named for him. Robert Stethem's brother Kenneth is a retired Navy Seal: "Every time I look at the flag now and for the rest of my life,'' said Kenneth Stethem, "the red will represent the blood he spilled, the blue the beating and bruises he endured, and the white the purity and integrity he demonstrated in sacrificing his life.''More here. I had been in the service for just a few months back then - this incident illustrated quite graphically to me the potential price. Betrayal (2006-01-14 18:26:54) Via email, from Katherine Curtis Stethem: A travesty of justice occurred last month as Germany quietly released Mohammad Ali Hammadi, a Hezbollah terrorist convicted in the brutal murder of United States Navy Diver Robert Dean Stethem during the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847. Who can forget the words of pilot John Testrake, “They have just shot a passenger. I repeat: They have just shot a passenger.” Who can forget the image of a young American being shoved out of a plane onto the tarmac?Katherine Stethem is married to Patrick Stethem, Robert’s brother. Posted by Greyhawk / May 29, 2006 7:24 PM | Permalink 2 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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This 'person', and I use that word only out of respect for this blog, being set free is such a facer to the honor of this country and how we ought to ensure that our brave are treated that it leaves me winded. I don't, do not understand how this was allowed. One good theory/amazing coincidence exists that explains why, and in Susanne Osthoff's shoes, I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I knew a murderous swine was put out to roam free in exchange for me. His past and future actions would defile my life forever after.
More importantly however, Robert Dean Stethem's family should get EVERY respect in their treatment by our government in all matters pretaining to their brave son, and this 'person's' release should have NEVER happened. I hoped when it was first reported, and continue to hope now, that his break from justice is curtailed quickly. Having heard nothing about it since is not a good sign.
How I wish the United States cared less for the sensibilities of small countries that cannot resist United States pressure if we threatened retaliation. But in a way, the United States does not bully weaker nations around, not even when it would benefit President Bush politically, perhaps raising his approval numbers 5 to 10% if Bush proved ruthless in acquiring this "individual". America does not bully nations even when we are on the right. And perhaps this is a weakness or perhaps it is a strength, I do not know.
But I do know that this killer would be a perfect UAV target. Why cant we just grab him, put him out in the middle of the desert and test weapons systems on him? Like fuel air dispersal bombs, thermobaric bombs, the semi-automatic Barret.
The AMerican people probably dislikes hearing from Bush that the police action won't solve terrorism, yet Bush has had a lot of terroists prosecuted in GitMo and etc under civilian authority. It just seems, really inconsistent with the Jacksonian contingent of America, who is really out for blood and justice.