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May 22, 2006

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Jesse MacBeth

By Greyhawk

Is he a war criminal, a murderer of innocent children in Iraq who deserves the death penalty?

Or a liar?

MilBlogs. That's why it's there.

LGF has more


Posted by Greyhawk / May 22, 2006 6:03 PM | Permalink

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...in the Airborne Special Air Assault Ranger Forces Unit; The Screaming Beagles. We crept through the inky shadows to our target, the Coffee Plantation near Arizona State University. Once inside, my battle buddy and I mowed down nearly two dozen iced ... Read More

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Hahahah...what an a$$monkey. God, if I was going to impersonate a soldier to make them look bad, I'd do a little RESEARCH first and foremost, then I'd pick a unit that's a little less high profile than 3/75 Rangers or SF......

Stolen Valor is full of examples of people like this. The bigger the story the faster the media laps it up. He has to be a ranger because they are elite, just ordinary grunts are just dumb and expendable.

People don't know how lucky they are that there is a Riot act. They wouldn't last an hour if the martial branches of the military set their sights on them for annihilation.

I've got mixed feelings about the guy. I don't think he's quite all there, a bit touched, if you know what I mean. Too bad he got sucked into this crap where the anti-war bozos are giving him the attention he craves, else he would be just another Napoleon wandering the streets.

I know you don't like me, but I just saw the video. The site is "iffy", but if there are some rouge soldiers out there they need to be stopped. If this guy is wacked, then he needs to be stopped. Before you knee-jerk react, somebody OFFICIAL needs to be notified.

http://abutamam.blogspot.com/

Christ I hate this sh*t.

Salmineo:

The site is "iffy", but if there are some rouge soldiers out there they need to be stopped.

Rouge soldiers? That's gotta be against grooming regs. And doesn't this come awfully close to contravening "Don't ask, don't tell"? I'm pretty sure they'll be stopped.

[ducks, runs]

C'mon, Sal. You can't possibly be equivocating about this... everything is wrong about this guy.

Think back to your Marine days... would you have EVER, in a million-billion-zillion years, had a uniform that looked like that? I'm not talking about a few well-worn sets of field greens... we've all got those. I'm talking about wrong unit, hat backwards, wrong decorations, wrong sleeve roll...

Any soldier who's not a total screw-up takes pride in their uniform, and take great pains to make sure everything is right (and because there's a brutal public hazing waiting for you if it's wrong), and total screw-ups don't make it through RIP, let alone the entire Ranger course.

He's a fraud... no need to seek out a possible nugget of truth in there.

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3919

That's the first I've seen of any official reaction and it's the right one. Let's just hope it's not the last one.

Mike

This is VERY interesting... There could be a LOT more to this story than meets the eye...

"Jesse Adam Macbeth" was apparently born "Jesse Adam AL-ZAID"..

He had his name changed as a baby in Pima County Arizona on 07/09/86...Case number C234837....

Go to this website and search by the name Macbeth...

http://www.cosc.co.pima.az.us/record_search/

Michelle Malkin has the names of two other members of IVAW and neither of them can be found on military.com. WInter Soldiers one and all?

BTW GH great job with Ace, Jeff, Smash and the rest on Hoist the Black Flag!

This is just too priceless to be true. Another Fitzmas denied.

I took a brief plunge into the fever swamp that is the Democratic Underground to get their read on the "fake but accurate Ranger story". Here's what one of the duller knives in the drawer opined:

"Stay alert. If Rove is doing it, others will pick up on it. This could be some kind of right-wing discrediting hoax, or even a cadre of lefties trying to "heighten the contradictions" by publishing false information (sad but true). I'd hate to imagine anyone in gov't would stoop so low as to put this guy out there to discredit IVAW.

Has anyonw contacted IVAW to encourage them to disassociate with this guy before they get Rathered or Leopolded?

BWAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

I call on all my Veteran brothers to hunt down and kill this little prick! He's a traitor to the United States, an agent of our enemies.

having scrubbed any memory of jesse macbeth or their credulity of the same from youtube, they have replaced him with this bbc video of ivaw members alleging things such as that it is common practice to keep an extra shovel on patrols so that when a civilian is shot for violating curfew, the shovel can be laid with the body to imply that he was digging to plant an ied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrXxoi3sFdk&search=jesse%20macbeth

having scrubbed any memory of jesse macbeth or their credulity of the same from youtube, they have replaced him with this bbc video of ivaw members alleging things such as that it is common practice to keep an extra shovel on patrols so that when a civilian is shot for violating curfew, the shovel can be laid with the body to imply that he was digging to plant an ied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrXxoi3sFdk&search=jesse%20macbeth

I just discovered that this Jesie MacBeth story is probably a lie. The moment I watched his mia culpa I prayed that it was untrue because the damage it could do to our military if the world and the American public discovered that this was true, and this is how Don Rumsfeild's military operates. The American Military has the reputation of being the justified armed forces of the planet, a proud position. Now imagine that all destroyed with Jessie MacBeth's story. Well, not a day after being relieved from the MacBeth story, I saw another story about soldiers slaughtering innocent Iraqi women and children; and this story was on CNN. What it the good Lord's name is going on in Iraq. I also discovered that Don Riumsfeild is really a CEO of a major alternative-sweetner company. Maybe this explains why we are in a country we have no justified reason for being in. Bring our soldiers home.

We posted this at Protein Wisdom but it could just as well be posted here. As we said then, thanks for unwittingly pitching in to make this baby work so fine. Flocks are a thing much unappreciated. Yee-Haw!

http://tinyurl.com/rwcuh

The original post is at PW. Looks like they're still having a Kool Aid day in the park with it. I'm sure y'all do the same.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004