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May 8, 2006

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Update: Atwar Bahjat

By Greyhawk

An update to the story of the murder of Atwar Bahjat. Questions have been raised concerning the identity of the victim in the video. According to this wikipedia entry photos of Atwar Bahjat's body prove she was not decapitated. The photos linked from the entry, while gruesome, are not conclusive.

What's known at this time: Atwar Bahjat was kidnapped and murdered while covering the Samarra bombing. The author of the London Times' story has been with the paper for some time, and is self-identified as "a friend of Bahjat who had worked with her on a variety of tough assignments". According to that Times story, the paper received a video of an execution that concludes with a close-up of the victim's face. The author has seen the video. The video is "cell phone" quality. The author says the victim is Atwar Bahjat.

Update: The Jawa report says the Times has been hoaxed. From the evidence, if this is the same video the Times has the reporter must have very poor eyesight, or memory. The victim is a dark haired man who looks nothing like Atwar Bahjat.

It should be noted the Times has not yet commented on the situation.

And it should be obvious that none of this diminishes the horror of either event - the killing of this man or the murder of Atwar Bahjat.

More: A comment from Jawa's Rusty Shackleford at Protein Wisdom:

Ansar al-Sunna (the guys doing the beheading) were once part of an organization called ‘Ansar al-Islam. These guys were around BEFORE the invasion and were busy fighting the secular Kurds before we bombed them into oblivion. Oh, and they were funded by ‘friends’ in Afghanistan (OBL). They also had a truce with Saddam since their main enemies were secular Kurds. They also once had a fellow by the name of Abu Musab al Zarqawi as one of their operatives before the invasion.
Still no word from the London Times. It's late here in Europe - probably won't happen tonight.



Posted by Greyhawk / May 8, 2006 5:38 PM | Permalink

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I'm not sure those photos prove anything. Miss Bahjat's headscarf is stuffed in the top of her jacket where her neck...or any cuts to it... would show. Is it possible that when they were getting the body ready for transportation, they tidied her up somewhat? In other words ( sorry for the crudeness) they may have put her head back where it belongs and put the scarf there to camouflage the reality. Otherwise, why would thet have put it on her neck instead of on her head?

Whatever happened, these mad dogs must be resisted with every ounce of force and will that we have at our disposal.

I agree -- the Wikipedia photo's prove nothing, except that she took some real punishment to the side of her fact. Then, there's the stuffed headscarf .... or whatever it is.

Also -- the video proves that a woman was indeed brutally murdered. This is okay, even if it's not the journalist ... ?

However, we can now return to our regularly scheduled programming, in which it will be proved that Bush is the REAL terrorist, Bushlied ... only a Democrat can saaaave us and yadayadayada.

Bottom line is that this video regardless of wheather if it is of an Iraqi journalist or a Nepalise truck driver still represents the evil we face and must confront in Iraq. The fact that someone did this in the name of what they believe to be god is very clear evidence that freedom of religion must replace the religious intollerance practiced by Islamic fundamentalism world wide.

The Times didn't have a link to a video that I could see. Where did this come from? The description of the murder didn't say she was beheader, just that her throat was cut and she was stepped on to make her blood spurt.

I noticed that a number of lefty bloggers were laying this at the foot of Bush and the war. Not so, apparently. They're real warriors aren't they, kidnapping women and slaughtering them in the name of Allah. She stood up to them on behalf of her country. She deserves a shrine of her own for her courage and martyrdom for the Iraqi people. I doubt that these creeps can continue to hide forever. This is enough to sicken even the most partisan Sunni.

My bad. I reread the article and it does say she was beheaded. The photo at Getty doesn't look to me as if she were beheaded, though it's probably inconclusive.

How many times have we seen videos like this now? Danny Pearl was the first I remember, and I can't figure out how we seem to have lost our national will to get these people. I thought Americans were made of sterner stuff.

"From the evidence, if this is the same video the Times has the reporter must have very poor eyesight, or memory. The victim is a dark haired man who looks nothing like Atwar Bahjat"

You think it is possible for anybody let alone an associate to mistake a video of a woman being stripped with a video of a man ? Couldn't you just conclude it isn't the same video ?

From my viewing of the photo it looks as though her left pinky finger was cut off. Notice the light green turtle neck she was wearing under the green top coat is soaked with blood. Also looks like they rolled her around a bit as well, pebbles and dust lodged in the green top coat.

Shameful.

What I can't figure out is how Hala Jaber, an award winning journalist, could write this article when back in February she wrote of seeing details of her friend Atwar's body in a green coat, and that the body had "taken two bullets to the head." And as a journalist and friend of Atwar's she must have seen the photographs of Atwar's body.

Doesn't make any sense that she could have been so easily duped. The Sunday Times needs to clarify this.

And I'm sorry Meg, but the photographs *do* prove everything. The idea that the animals who cut that head off and placed it on the corpse's chest *on videotape* would then reclothe her and re-attach her head to 'camoflage reality" is just absurd.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
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December 2004