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April 20, 2006

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In case anyone cares what the troops in Iraq think...

By Greyhawk

The LA Times headline Generals' Criticism of Rumsfeld Gets Mixed Reaction Among Troops is a bit deceptive. If the report is representative of responses of the troops downrange, very few are impressed with the SecDef's detractors.

They better hope Ralph Peters doesn't hear about this. He'll rip 'em a new one.


Posted by Greyhawk / April 20, 2006 10:08 PM | Permalink

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Rummy vs The Generals from Aggressive Tendencies on April 20, 2006 11:23 PM

So, should Rumsfeld immediately resign? No, that would just feed the beast. How about this: Get out there and explain to the American people and the world how we came to this point in the War on Terror. Read More

Yes we have a history of civilian control of the military. And in practice as well as law that primacy of civilian control has held. But that does not mean that the military has not involved itself in the politics Read More

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"You saw what happened to Shinseki," said the officer, who requested anonymity for fear that he might be disciplined for publicly supporting Rumsfeld's opponents. "It's suicide to come out against your boss. I can understand why they waited until they retired."

Last I heard, Shinseki was still alive and kicking. What this officer means is that if you disagree with your boss, your _career_ - not your life - may be ended. In other words, if your career is more important than your principles, you keep quiet. What does that say about how principled these individuals are? It isn't unusual to find "yes" men in lower ranks - it takes time to build strength of character - but by the time a man is a General, being a "yes" man isn't an admirable quality, imo.

Exactly, suek. I mentioned this to my husband and the whole thing just makes him mad. One of his co-workers was a Navy submariner and they were both disgusted about it and their coworker who'd never been in the military just couldn't understand why they were both so very mad.

The person quoted in the article before the "it's suicide" remark complained about a lack of moral courage and that's exactly it. That's what my husband and his Navy friend were so upset about and what I've said here and there... this just shows their priorities and lowly enlisted folks are darned demanding when it comes to the service and loyalty they expect from officers.

Clearly, if something is important enough to dispute your chain of command *publically* then failing to do so until it's *safe* is a slap in the face to the people who depend on you.

Generals make plans that *will* get people killed and if troops don't have faith that the General values their lives over his or her career... give me a gun and point me at the enemy and I'm going to go? Yeah, right.

Now, if it's not important enough to speak while in a position to do something, but simply politically expedient to speak after retirement, well that's a different sort of moral weakness, isn't it.

There are ways to voice your displeasure toward a boss, Its called a meeting, with civility and solutions to the problems he has, also In PRIVATE not in the media to benefit from future book sales.

One would hope that at least these generals had the courage to say to the SECDEF to his face in private what they are saying now in public...but I somehow doubt it.

Anybody want to let the latimes know that the thing about Shinseki being fired for the troop strength thing is a myth and didn't actually happen?

Speaking of Shinseki... can we finally get rid of the black woollen sock^W^W^Wberet now?

If I have to choose between the support of the Generals, and the support of Lance Corporals in the USMC, I know who I want on my side. And they don't wear stars.

Press on, Men. Your Secretary of Defense will back you all the way.

Subsunk

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004