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April 18, 2006

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Civil War in Iraq?

By Greyhawk

Some of you may cheer this quote in Mike Yon's latest post:

More than a year ago, I wrote from the “Sunni Triangle” that Iraq was in the midst of a civil war,...
Others may rejoice at this one:
But when an American administration was not careful with its words, when that administration flung around heavy words that would be remembered and would beg substantiation - and when that same administration ignored or punished its own military experts for offering dissenting views, that administration was leading the American people, and our allies, into peril.
Still another large group will agree with this:
As I consider this whole manufactured controversy about my intentions in saying, then and now, that Iraq is in a civil war, and whether or not I used the right definition, and even, ridiculous as it seems, whether I have been hijacked by forces that oppose this war, what strikes me as most telling, and truly as most sad, is that, still, more than a year later, almost every soldier I’ve met in Iraq and most recently Afghanistan, still has to ask that same question: Do the people at home know about the progress we have made over here?
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Poor performance by the media—abetted by consumers who refuse to change the channel—was directly responsible for making the soldiers I had come to know and respect feel like they’d just got kicked in the head.
But whichever group you're in, now that you've read those brief quotes you might want to read how thay all fit together.


Posted by Greyhawk / April 18, 2006 5:03 PM | Permalink

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Yon talks about the state of Iraq today and he says it’s civil war. That being said Yon continues to mention what democracy was formed without a civil war. The jist of his article is the media and the civilian leadership (read: Administration)... Read More

The MSM and Iraq War detractors have been crowing like mad that Iraq is in a state of civil war, as if that fact somehow proves the failure of the mission. Supporters of the war have, like myself, been attempting to use historic civil war anologies t... Read More

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How can the stories of progress be reported on when the reporters have no security away from soldiers? How can they report freely under these conditions?

There was an election, but no government. We have failed. We should leave.

Well written and reasoned by Micheal. Our MSM, both right and left, are too busy playing gotcha politics to give us the truth. J. Gault obviously didn't read the article. There are a lot of people trying to get the story of progress out.

"How can they report freely under these conditions?"

By choosing to? Not every reporter is supposed to be a fashion/opinion writer looking for a pulitzer typed in the safety of their living room. Aren't people supposed to take risks for the ideas of freedom? Soldiers, Police, EMS, etc. all put their lives on the line for our culture and its values. Why not reporters?

One of my favorite photographs is of my daughter standing and reading the following at President Ike's library ...

Sustained by faith in the cherished ideals of true democracy each American works in his daily task at plough or forge or machine or desk knowing this nation will forever stand one and indivisible in devotion to the cause of liberty for all mankind.

Do Democrats and liberals even know what that means any more?


"There was an election, but no government."

Do you even know what was on the Iraqi ballots these last elections?


"We have failed. We should leave."

Yes, you have failed. Please do leave.

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The MSM is giving you the truth, you just don't want to believe that your Republican masters could be so deceptive, and so wrong.

Rummy recently made it sound as if the generals want him to resign because he made reforms. But they really want him to resign because he made gigantic, horrible, arrogant mistakes that will be taught in history classes forever.

Rumsfeld suggested invading Iraq the day after 9/11. He didn't want to invade Iraq because it was connected to 9/11. That was the part his neocon aides at the Pentagon, Wolfie and Doug Feith, had to concoct. Rummy wanted to invade Iraq because he thought it would be easy, compared with Iran or North Korea, or compared with finding Osama. He could do it cheap and show off his vaunted transformation of the military into a sleek, lean fighting force.

It's time to stop being partisan political party loyalists, and become American Patriots once again.

So... yet again, the only reason anyone would *NOT* see this obvious and overarching truth is that they are partisan political party loyalists. Oookaayyy.

Tell the truth, I'm starting to take any "find Osama" reference as a clue to ignore the rest of a post.

Do you *really* think we aren't looking for him?

But see, party loyalists for the *other* side think that their side would be working to find Osama. Generally, though, what people making the argument suggest amounts to an invasion of Pakistan. How many troops should we send across the border into Pakistan, Dansing? What did Pakistan ever do to us? Or would the *other* side also be searching as quietly as possible for Osama? In which case, what's the beef, huh?

Quite frankly, I don't care about Osama and if we're losing any SF guys *at all* searching for him I think it's a bad trade for that has-been. If he's not dead, he's effectively neutralized, catching him does us no good from a statesmanship point of view no matter how satisfying it would be personally.

A free and democratic Iraq, on the other hand, will reap benefits for us forever. While I don't think that a single SF death is worth it to get Osama, Iraq seems worth the blood and tears. The children there, and all across the middle east, deserve an end to the tyranny so typical of the region. They don't even have to grow up to be our friends if they grow up in a liberal (yes, liberal) society that provides individuals opportunity in *this* century instead of the last one.

And Galt says, we lost, go home... go home and do what? Build bomb shelters again like in the 60's?

Michael doesn't mention whether his contributions from readers have increased or decreased in relation to his charges about Civil War and how embracing the Civil War vocabulary would help our side and not the enemy's. That's the only real metric, not which radio host did not like what about whom.

I wouldn't waste our Special Forces on Osama either, they are far more useful training Afghanistanis. Besides, without the political and military mobilization to go Into Pakistan, any forlorn hope we send into there will have little chance of ultimate success, on anything except Combat Reconaissance.

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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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The Mudville Gazette is written and produced by Greyhawk, who recently retired from 24 years of active duty in the US military, but will maintain this disclaimer: Unless otherwise credited, the opinions expressed are those of the author, and nothing here is to be taken as representing the official position of or endorsement by the United States Department of Defense or any of its subordinate components.

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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004