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April 12, 2006

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Open Post

By Greyhawk

Lieutenant General (RET.) Gregory Newbold's Time Magazine piece has caused quite a stir. The passage that caught my attention on first reading was this one:

I am driven to action now by the missteps and misjudgments of the White House and the Pentagon, and by my many painful visits to our military hospitals. In those places, I have been both inspired and shaken by the broken bodies but unbroken spirits of soldiers, Marines and corpsmen returning from this war.
I really wish he'd explained better why their unbroken spirits were his motivation.

But I think I'm clear on this part:

...I offer a challenge to those still in uniform: a leader's responsibility is to give voice to those who can't--or don't have the opportunity to--speak. Enlisted members of the armed forces swear their oath to those appointed over them; an officer swears an oath not to a person but to the Constitution. The distinction is important.
So I'll get things started:
General,

Thanks for the encouragement, your example has inspired me to speak out in public too. You've also inspired the enemy to keep killing us. So sit down, shut up, enjoy your pension and let us fight the war.

Hey - exercise your free speech too. Open Post.


Posted by Greyhawk / April 12, 2006 10:13 PM | Permalink

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Well that's utterly incredible. Now even our soldiers no longer have the right to criticize the war or how it's been conducted. Who's left? Oh...nobody. Which is exactly the way you want it.

Alexander,
You lost me completely there. What are you talking about?

You told the retired General to shut up. Shame on you. ;-)

Guess Alex doesn't know where he's commenting.

We have a similar issue going on in the UK at the moment. A serving RAF officer is up on court martial for refusing an order to go to Iraq. It's bad enough when enlisted men and junior NCO's diss the war but when officers start, it needs to be nipped in the bud.

An officers job is to serve his country as commanded. Soldiers aren't paid to do the politics. They are paid to do their job once the politics has failed.

I don't recall all the retiring Generals and Officers getting this much air play and credibility during the Clinton years! What's with these officers? Do they really believe they're hurting Rumsfeld or Bush with these antics. They are hurting those who are serving by providing ammo to the enemy.

Old Soldiers should just Fade Away. We got it covered old man. Enjoy a scotch and let us carry on.

Greyhawk, your reply was perfect. I would like to think he will somehow see it. I respect Gen Newbold's service, but he has given up the claim to be a soldier or he would realize the potential harm his words do to those in the field. Shame.

Sir,

With all due respect, thank you for your service. I appreciate and value your opinion. As a citizen I heartily disagree with it. As a sailor I am disheartened by it. In truth we are deep in the fog of war and clarity may not come for some time. I accept that. I also accept the fact that our enemy is tenacious, clever and encouraged whenever we whisper at defeat or surrender.

I will continue look after the men in my charge. I will make sure they are trained and prepared for whatever eventuality comes their way. Some are already serving in the C5F AOR, as I did for a period.

We see our duty clear and will execute it with courage, honor and commitment.

Alexander -- Here's my two cents on this kind of dissent

While I will not accuse this general of the moonbattery illustrated in the link, the criticism of the quality of thought behind his ent ... and the need for people like Greyhawk and myself to vigorously oppose it on those grounds ... does apply.

Frankly, this guy appears to be "fighting the last war" ... bringing up the conventional wisdom of more troops/more resources = success, ignoring both the diminishing returns of that approach in asymetrical warfare, and the plausible alternatives.

He also doesn't percieve the threat Saddam & Sons posed to the prosecution of this War on Terror ... including our pursuit of Al Quada ... if they were left in place.

Let me illustrate, by taking apart a quote from the article ...

Some of the missteps include: the distortion of intelligence in the buildup to the war,

If we were distorting intel, so was the rest of the world. What we did instead, was break a taboo instituted over the last 40 years ... our leaders made a judgment call ... and on many of the issues, from terrorism support to dormant WMD programs, to the non-sustainability of containment, they were right. It was truly "everything but the stockpiles"

McNamara-like micromanagement that kept our forces from having enough resources to do the job,

I think Tommy Franks would disagree with that ... and keep in mind, more resources means a heavier bootprint in "occupied" territory, which can be counterproductive.

the failure to retain and reconstitute the Iraqi military in time to help quell civil disorder,

General, could you really have done this any better than we did? Or ... were you going to wait around until we were capable of doing so, and ignore the ability of Saddam & Sons to further "perfect" their own defenses?

the initial denial that an insurgency was the heart of the opposition to occupation,

It never has been an "insurgency", as in legitimate freedom fighters -- it is a mix of jihadis, dead-ender Baathists, and ordinary criminals ... all the anthesis of the true freedom fighter. The fact that they target innocents intentionally is proof of this.

alienation of allies who could have helped in a more robust way to rebuild Iraq,

As in France and Germany ... Saddam's enablers?

They, and many others, were more concerned about American influence than about Saddam's brutality ... and acted accordingly. We didn't alienate them ... they chose to alienate themselves, by acting on their flawed core beliefs about America.

and the continuing failure of the other agencies of our government to commit assets to the same degree as the Defense Department.

Again, more isn't always better ... and we have our best in there, already.

He claims he was aginst the war - and his oath to the Constitution demands his criticism...now. So if he really believed his own #$%^ why did he wait 3 YEARS to air his brave "dissent".
Sir, we still in the fight will finish it. I am sure your book/speaking engagement contracts and such will keep you busy enough...

So we have another retired three-star defeatist publicly auditioning for the coveted CNN Armchair General broadcast position. Big whup.

What was it Chamberlain said? "There's nothing so much like a god on earth as a General on a battlefield." Or maybe he just said that in the movies.

In any event, what does that make a general in a living room?

"Enlisted members of the armed forces swear their oath to those appointed over them; an officer swears an oath not to a person but to the Constitution. The distinction is important."

So what exactly is it about the Iraq War that General Patent Leather finds unconstitutional?

It's funny, the CinC takes the same oath: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

So we're supposed to trust unelected and unaccountable men like el Commandante Newbold to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution in place of a man a majority of the country voted for barely 18 months ago?

Nice try, Generalissimo. But I think we'll stick with representative democracy if you don't mind.

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November 26, 2010


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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004