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April 8, 2006

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Stop Loss?

By Greyhawk

Big movie news:

Ex-boy-bander Justin Timberlake is reportedly furthering his movie career by signing on for his first leading role in the war drama 'Stop-Loss.'

"Justin is thrilled about getting his first leading role," said a source. "It is a huge challenge for him and he's excited as well as nervous."

Timberlake will play an ex-army soldier from Texas who doesn't want to return to combat, but when his best friend is taken hostage he changes his mind.

'Stop-Loss' will be written, directed and produced by Kimberly Peirce, whose credits include 1999's 'Boys Don't Cry,' for which Hilary Swank received her first Oscar.

Timberlake's movie career began in earnest last year with the film 'Edison,' costarring fellow musician-turned-actor LL Cool J and Academy Award-winners Kevin Spacey and Morgan Freeman. The former N'Sync frontman has three more films being released this year, including 'Alpha Dog,' costarring Emile Hirsch and Bruce Willis, due out later this year.

Would I go see it? Hell no I won't go.

More Iraq war movie news here. There's a veritable plethora of them coming at us (as Custer may have once said).


Posted by Greyhawk / April 8, 2006 5:54 PM | Permalink

9 Comments

Having teenage daughters I have to say "NO NO - please no more Justin anything - the pain, the pain."

That said, I hope they do a movie of Generation Kill and Thunder Run. Those would be good.

- dave

Sir Hawk you scared the hell out of me. Why do you know so much about Mr. Timberlake. Tell me you where not a member of a boy band. Say it aint so Hawk, say it aint so.

I can't believe you'd even suggest such a thing, Stu.

I liked Blair's comments about how these movies are supposed to gonna be so profitable because public opinion on the war is so low. So I looked up the numbers on Jarhead.

Ouch.

(Which wasn't actually that bad, for what it was. But I was *very* glad to have borrowed the DVD from a friend so that it was returned and is not sitting around the house.)

It really should be a no brainer. People who think that Stop-Loss, just as a *title*, is a good idea for a movie, don't want to go see war movies! It's not their thing. (The premis, of a soldier who returns to help his buddy isn't all that stinky, but Stop-Loss?) And people who are inclined to go see war movies aren't likely to go to one they percieve as preaching against the military or military service.

What is the target audience? I can just imagine approaching some of my more anti-war, don't-have-a-clue-about-the-military aquaintences or friends and suggesting we go se a war flick.

"Ex-boy-bander Justin Timberlake is reportedly furthering his movie career by signing on for his first leading role in the war drama 'Stop-Loss.'

"Justin is thrilled about getting his first leading role," said a source. "It is a huge challenge for him and he's excited as well as nervous."

You
Have
Got
To
Be
Freaking
KIDDING ME!

Now watch him go and get an Oscar for his performance after I went and said that.

"Back in the day" Greyhawk played guitar in a very hard-rockin', guitar-based bar band that was forced to attempt to adapt to the changing (MTV-driven) music scene of the early 80's. They did so, but the thrill was gone. (Note to any who believe their hobbies would make a fine profession: once you make that change, you'll find you no longer have a hobby, just work.) Unable to picture himself doing such at age 40, he ultimately left for other pursuits (this math also played a role: drummers + bass players + alcohol / wives + girl friends = frequent requirements for replacement drummers and bass players) , but still enjoys music as a hobby.

Seeing the now-60-something icons of an even earlier era still performing he now occasionally entertains the notion that he could once again take that position somewhere on stage right of a very small stage. (Don't tell Mrs G!) Such are the stuff of dreams...

Greyhawk ... as a bass player/guitarist who also did three years as a DJ in a college FM station, I know where you're coming from.

I often told my kids that you have to balance how much you love what you do, with how well you want to eat.

As you, I am sure, realized, for every superstar artist, there are thousands who are just as creative and proficient (if not more so!) as musicians ... but end up playing for chump change, with no real hope of jumping to superstar status.

Same goes for radio ... for every superstar DJ or talk-show host, there are thousands of wannabes working in small-market stations at or near minimum wage.

In 1983, I would have loved to be doing either ... but God gave me reliable (but sometimes tedious) skills that allowed me to feed me, and then my family, well, and He gave me the good sense to capitalize on them. The bonus was that it was still in a creative profession.

At least I still get to play bass in church ... and fortunately the music there has changed over the years, to reflect both our generation and those following. The opportunity to "rock the flock" -- and also guide the next generation in doing that -- is very satisfying.

Hollywood reigns supreme as anti-freedom's bejewelled bottomfeeder.

"Seeing the now-60-something icons of an even earlier era still performing he now occasionally entertains the notion that he could once again take that position somewhere on stage right of a very small stage."

Greyhawk, I went to New York last year to see Cream and that is one group of "60-something icons" that can still play! So keep that notion alive!

I checked your whole list of info and will be doing it more often. I did not find the letter from an iraq mayor about the help our troops are giving over there. Can you send me a copy, I would like to circulate it to some of the peacenicks I know.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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The Mudville Gazette is written and produced by Greyhawk, who recently retired from 24 years of active duty in the US military, but will maintain this disclaimer: Unless otherwise credited, the opinions expressed are those of the author, and nothing here is to be taken as representing the official position of or endorsement by the United States Department of Defense or any of its subordinate components.

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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004