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March 17, 2006

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Staying on Message

By Greyhawk

President Bush, last August:

The battle lines in Iraq are now clearly drawn for the world to see, and there is no middle ground. Transforming a country that was ruled by an oppressive dictator who sponsored terror into a free nation that is an ally in the war on terror will take more time, more sacrifice, and continued resolve. Terrorists will emerge from Iraq one of two ways: emboldened or defeated.
President Bush, this week:
The battle lines in Iraq are clearly drawn for the world to see, and there is no middle ground. The enemy will emerge from Iraq one of two ways: emboldened or defeated. The stakes in Iraq are high. By helping Iraqis build a democracy, we will deny the terrorists a safe haven to plan attacks against America. By helping Iraqis build a democracy, we will gain an ally in the war on terror.
The New York Times, this week:
But while he predicted victory, he made clear the consequences of defeat. "The enemy will emerge from Iraq one of two ways: emboldened or defeated," he said, allowing for a possibility he had not before discussed.
Except for when he said exactly the same thing before. Which is why the online Times story now carries this correction:
An article on Tuesday about a speech by President Bush in which he defended his policies on Iraq misstated the precedent for his assertion that America's enemies would emerge from Iraq either "emboldened or defeated." He used that phrase last August in a speech in Nampa, Idaho; this was not the first time he had discussed such a possibility.
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President Bush, January:

And in the year ahead, we will continue handing more territory to Iraqi forces, with the goal of having the Iraqis in control of more territory than the coalition by the end of 2006.
President Bush, this week:
As more capable Iraqi police and soldiers come on line, they will assume responsibility for more territory -- with the goal of having the Iraqis control more territory than the coalition by the end of 2006.
The Washington Post reports on this week's speech
President Bush vowed for the first time yesterday to turn over most of Iraq to newly trained Iraqi troops by the end of this year, setting a specific benchmark as he kicked off a fresh drive to reassure Americans alarmed by the recent burst of sectarian violence.

Bush, who until now has resisted concrete timelines as the Iraq war dragged on longer than he expected, outlined the target in the first of a series of speeches intended to lay out his strategy for victory.

The first time unless you count the time he said exactly the same thing before. The Post corrected by "disappearing" the entire article, substituting another, and blaming the White House:
A White House spokesman told The Washington Post on Monday that it was the first time Bush had set such a goal. But officials corrected that yesterday, noting that the president used the same language in a January speech, although it went virtually unnoted by the news media at the time.
Perhaps the Post could launch an "Investigative Journalism" department, and use it to notice what the President says?

These aren't minor points in the war on terror - and I'm not assigning motive here, but if you're getting your information about Iraq from US newspapers you are getting it from people who aren't really paying attention.


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"...although it went virtually unnoted by the news media at the time."

And this is the White House's fault? WTF?

I've manage to post the updated ISF battlespace map, which was handed out yesterday to the TWO reporters that actually showed up to the Baghdad briefing.

http://soldiersdad2.blogspot.com/2006/03/isf-update-30000-square-miles.html

I think the media actions only show which side they are on. I don't think they are un-aware of what they are doing and I think they are very smart using their posts to fight against everything that is right and great telling us it is wrong and bad. They realize America can't be defeated on the battle field and the war is being fought in the hearts and minds of he American people.

Oh, c'mon, it isn't that there not paying attention, it's that they know that he doesn't really believe it when he says it. Because he's lying anyway.

This is just the repetition of the 16 words in the State of the Union speech.

Sure, he said what he said (what did he say, we weren't watching), but he really meant for us to believe something TOTALLY different.

The MSM hasn't listened to one word of this President since 2001, unless its to catch some malapropism or other verbal gaff. Besides, they don't need to. They know what he wants to do, along with his evil pals.

Could the MSM be any more pathetic?

I like that line: "Perhaps the Post could launch an "Investigative Journalism" department, and use it to notice what the President says?"

Maybe they could start teaching that in Journalism scohol, rather than how to be a spineless wimp who makes sure we don't offend our Muslim friends.

I do not believe one word that the media puts out. The AP alone with the former MSM has became a comedy of mistakes and outright lies. If you want the truth, watch the speach and then ten minutes later the lying wonks in the media will tell you something 100% reversed from what was actually said. This has been a pet peave of mine for years. I point out their consistant lies everytime the do it, and now know several hundred people that don't believe them either. Articles like your post will do more good than any other thing if there was only a way to get it more widespread. Post the lie and follow it up with an exact quote that even the most retarded leftie can check out. I pity the folks that listen to the once major news outlets and actually believe anything they hear.

Dadmanly (evidently a joke): The 16 words in the State of the Union Speach have now been proven without a doubt to have been true. Joe Wilson was a liar as first thought. Where have you been, hiding under a rock or under the cover with your male boss. Give it up, the release of Saddam's paper is, and will make fools of all of the retarded left wingers.

The only good thing about our MSM media is that they aren't nearly as competent as Al-Qaeda's propaganda apparatus. But they are just as despicable and evil.

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In fact, while you're at it, click for the French version, which exploits French anti-Americanism as well as anti-Semitism.

In other words, these Palestinians are panderers with no sense of shame. What they have to say depends on whom they're talking to.

The Palestinian/Saudi/Al-Qaeda 3rd tier propaganda defense would never be caught in the same situation as Dan Rather, because they know to have 10 Dan Rathers, each for a different audience, therefore making accountability impossible.

Because you can hold the media accountable because all they write is in English, the media has to distort their corrections in order to shift blame, project, and defend themselves. It is not nearly as effective as the Palestinian solution.

I have seen military campaigns between high quality, low quantity forces against high quantitative forces with low quality technology. But I have never seen in human history, a military war between those who are experts in propagada and information analysis with zero military efficacy against someone with supremacy in military efficacy and inferior to no ability in propaganda and psychological warfare.

Vietnam was probably the closest, but even the Vietnamese had a regular army to back up the Vietcong.

Here you have people who only use propaganda and psychological weapons in warfare (suicide bombs and IEDs to get media attention) vs the greatest military force in the history of the world.

And it is of a set piece. Because of American military might, the American military has not focused much on the psychological aspects of war and improving upon them because they can just bring a bigger hammer. The Islamic Jihad, because they don't have a hammer, regardless of size, has been forced to focus on psychological warfare to replace all other assets.

I cannot recall any analogous scenario in human military history, where all or 95% of the psychological warfare assets were in enemy hands and 99% of the military power was in the ally's hands.

Maybe we need to resurrect Napoleon and get him to tell us how to solve his 3 to 1 ratio.

Because we all know that in the end, it is psychology that wins wars, not the simple expedient of killing enough of the enemy to make them stop. They will never stop if they believe they will win, and we cannot make them stop believing it without a psychological campaign of disinformation of our own.

I hope Bush either gets this, or we get someone who does in charge.

scrapiron

Dadmanly was with the 42nd ID in beautiful(joke) Salahadin province. As I believe, though I could be wrong, our host Greyhawk was. As I am certain, my child was.(Nuttin like gettin shot at before breakfast in downtown Sammara)

This stuff drives me insane. The MSM has absolutely NO shame and NO compunction about flat out LYING to forward their agenda.

The only good thing about is that they keep getting caught at it. Doesn't slow em down though.

Can we question their patriotism yet?

This stuff drives me insane. The MSM has absolutely NO shame and NO compunction about flat out LYING to forward their agenda.

The only good thing about is that they keep getting caught at it. Doesn't slow em down though.

Can we question their patriotism yet?

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004