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March 11, 2006

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"Signs, signs...

By Greyhawk

...everywhere a sign. Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind..."

When David Kelley deployed to Iraq, his wife Stacey put a "Support the Troops" sign in their yard.

To the 24-year-old who watched her husband leave in November, it was about keeping a promise.

David Kelley had asked her to post a "Support Our Troops" sign in front of their house in Westchase in northwest Hillsborough County.

But...
Westchase deed restrictions prohibit residents from posting signs in front of their homes unless they are "for sale" or "for rent" notices. Exceptions are made for signs from home security companies.

The association's board of directors voted unanimously Thursday night for the sign's removal despite being barraged by scores of negative telephone calls and e-mails earlier in the day.

But...
When told her refusal to take down the 2-foot sign would result in a fine of $100 a day, Kelley, a normally quiet Army wife not used to the national and even international spotlight, had a simple message for the homeowners association directors.

"Bring it on," she said.

Rest here.

(Hat Tip: SgtMgr, via comments)

Update - Here's your sign:

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Posted by Greyhawk / March 11, 2006 3:56 PM | Permalink

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David Kelley deployed to Iraq and asked his wife to post a “Support the Troops” sign in the front yard, so she did. However, the board of directors for her community asked her to take it down, citing restrictions that “prohibit resid... Read More

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I can see all sides to this one, but why don't the homeowner assn. leaders simply take a vote to amend the current sign prohibition to include small, moderate signs in direct support of troops? That's all it would take.

I have had direct involvement with Homowner's Associations, and it was about as well managed, and made about as much sense as this one does. Couldn't work on your car in your driveway, couldn't have a yard sale sign, had to have somebody cut your lawn while on vacation, etc. Blah.

Very poorly handled by the HOA. In their defense, there are places in the USA, possibly including FL, where failure to enforce a known violation of CC&Rs (that isn't already prohibited by law) renders all of them unenforceable. But their obstinacy on this one makes no sense. They're going to lose,they might as well make the exception and take their chances on "where this will all end".

"where failure to enforce a known violation of CC&Rs"

Thats where things like the $1 fine come in useful. Real judges, in real courts do it all the time. There is nothing in the Westchase By-laws stating a $100/day fine must be given.

http://www.westchase.net/

The core strength of America is still, hidden, amidst all the Hollywood glitz and media splurge. Still waters hide many treasures.

Bull!

I'm betting some Code-Pink type complained. It's a gated community, and many of them are the over-educated ones without a lick of common sense. (I have a Master's in Computers, I'm not against education. But the mere possession of a degree seems to persuade its owner that they have earned the right to tell the "little people" what to think).
I say, accept the money for the fine, if necessary, and make plans for a very interesting conservation with the association and her soldier husband when he returns.

Home owners associations...

Does anything else need to be said?

I smile everytime I see an old victorian painted purple and acid green and pink, a kitch art flamingo display or... oh, the welded wrought iron skeleton holding the mailbox at the house with the "Hells Angels Regional Headquarters" sign in the window... that was *cool*. The kitch and the crass and the crabgrass... makes me think that maybe people are still alive inside.

I saw a short interview with the Homeowners Association President (thankless job). He's a reservist who has done a tour in Iraq so I don't think he's exactly anti-military. The guy appeared to be very sincere and well spoken. It's one of those lose-lose situations. Since I've never lived in a closed community or subdivision with "rules" I'm not sure how the resident sign wars would play out.

I think it is funny how people are over-reacting to this.

Did they know about the policy before they placed that sign in the front yard? The news stations in Tampa say they did, and it was laid out in whatever agreement they signed to live in a closed community.

Do I think it is right? No. But it is the rules.

There are plenty of stupid laws that many people don't agree with, but they are laws and they are enforced. It is the same situation.

If she doesn't like the policy she can either work to change it, or move.

I saw an interview of Fox with the woman and the home owner association president. The HOA president has done a tour in Iraq himself and he is only against the support the troops sign because anti-war people in the community said they were all going to put up anti-war signs in their yards in response to her sign. The HOA president is not the villian in this, he just doesn't want all these anti-war signs to go up in the community.

The real villians in this are the ones who complain and threaten to put up anti-war signs in response to her sign. I find it interesting that the hate America crowd always say that support the troops but not the war but when it comes to a support the troops sign they want it torn down. That is very telling to me.

looks like the ultimate "Home Security" sign to me...

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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  • MajMike: looks like the ultimate "Home Security" sign to me... read more
  • GI Korea: I saw an interview of Fox with the woman and read more
  • Greg: I think it is funny how people are over-reacting to read more
  • toni: I saw a short interview with the Homeowners Association President read more
  • Julie: Home owners associations... Does anything else need to be said? read more
  • Linda F: Bull! I'm betting some Code-Pink type complained. It's a gated read more
  • Ymarsakar: The core strength of America is still, hidden, amidst all read more
  • Soldier's Dad: "where failure to enforce a known violation of CC&Rs" read more
  • J: Very poorly handled by the HOA. In their defense, there read more
  • Gun Toting Liberal: I can see all sides to this one, but why read more

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The Mudville Gazette is written and produced by Greyhawk, who recently retired from 24 years of active duty in the US military, but will maintain this disclaimer: Unless otherwise credited, the opinions expressed are those of the author, and nothing here is to be taken as representing the official position of or endorsement by the United States Department of Defense or any of its subordinate components.

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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004