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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! March 5, 2006 You Don't Say?By GreyhawkIn a recent press briefing General George Casey (the commander of Multinational Forces in Iraq) countered virtually every inflated claim made by the media regarding Iraq's recent "civil war" in the wake of the Shrine bombing in Samarra. But there are significant disconnects between what Gen Casey said and how his words are reported. Q General Casey, David Cloud with the New York Times. You mentioned, I think, a few minutes ago that there were reports of ISF assisting the militias. Can you expand on that a little bit, and how widespread was it? I think you mentioned east Baghdad . Can you just give us a sense of how widespread the problem of sectarian violence within the ISF has been over the last few days?The report on those comments that appeared in the New York Times: Casey said that in some instances, the mostly Shiite security forces gave armed Shiites free rein in Baghdad and Basra, where reprisal attacks on Sunni mosques and clerics took days to contain.And the Washington Post Moreover, in Baghdad, Iraqi security forces in several instances aided the militias' movements, allowing them to pass unhindered through checkpoints, according to military reports cited by Casey. He said the militias were primarily responsible for attacks on mosques in Baghdad, where militias in neighborhoods such as the predominantly Shiite Sadr City had taken to the streets immediately after the Samarra bombing.Immediately following the attack on the Shrine, the Washington Post reported that 120 Sunni mosques had been attacked in retaliation, other media reports claimed as many as 184. In his press conference, General Casey explained that "it took us a few days to sort our way through what we considered in a lot of cases to be exaggerated reports" and provided updated totals: We can confirm about 30 attacks on mosques around the country, with less than 10 of those mosques moderately damaged and only two or three of those mosques severely damaged.Here's how the Washington Post reported those comments: He said 350 Iraqi civilians had died in a surge of sectarian killings, militia violence and revenge attacks on about 30 mosques around the country after the bombing. "This, obviously, is unacceptable," he said.The media is free to dispute the General's claims - that's expected of them. But in this case they aren't, they are simply using his words selectively in a manner that supports their own previously published fictions. There's no law that says U.S. media outlets are required to report accurately or completely on comments made by military or government officials. Likewise there are no requirements for media outlets to acknowledge that they are printing unverified claims made by "other parties" in the war as confirmed "news" - as was the case in the aftermath of the Shrine bombing (See here and here). But consumers of those reports should be aware of their flaws. Citing sources or linking to full texts are not difficult tasks, and certainly serve to keep people well informed. After all, a well-informed public is the motivation for all good journalism, right? Read the whole thing. How easy is that? Posted by Greyhawk / March 5, 2006 3:00 PM | Permalink 7 TrackBacksThe MSM, doing what it does best, according to the Mudville Gazette:The media is free to dispute the General's claims - that's expected of them. But in this case they aren't, they are simply using his words selectively in a Read More You Don't Say?Greyhawk In a recent press briefing General George Casey (the commander of Multinational Forces in Iraq) countered virtually every inflated claim made by the media regarding Iraq's recent civil war in the wake of the Shrine bombing in Read More As many have said before, America will win or loose this war in Washington and the terrorists are banking on the media to turn public opinion against the war. ... Read More After the golden dome blast in Iraq back on February 23rd, the media focused on rising violence in Iraq and speculated on whether or not a full-fledged civil war was taking place in Iraq. Ralph Peters, writing in the New York post today, tries to ans... Read More Related to this topic, Greyhawk at The Mudville Gazette compares a recent transcript of General George Casey's press briefing to the way the mainstream media reported and observes: Read More MSM has been trying to persuade Americans that a civil war in Iraq is imminent. Now they've done a poll to confirm that their disinformation campaign is working: Majority of Americans Believe Iraq Civil War is Likely Washington Post-ABC News P... Read More Something odd is happening in Ramadi, once considered the most dangerous city in Iraq. Residents reported curious declarations hanging from mosque walls and market stalls recently in Ramadi...The fliers said Iraqi militants had turned on and were killi... Read More 10 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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The antique media are obviously being fed propaganda and repeating it without adequate factchecking. How can they adequately factcheck supposedly spontaneous simultaneous attacks on the mosques all through Iraq? The communications infrastructure isn't there for that sort of quick accuracy. Everything travels word of mouth there in my experience and the Baathist(most likely) sources the media uses are adept at misinformation, playing on the medias bias against the coalition forces and their BDS symptoms. CNN did it before the war. I fully expect them to be doing it now.
There is vicious fascism sweeping the planet our Exempt media does not want us to see.
Very disturbing how very little the general public knows. Just the other day I had a conversation with a person who did not have a computer, relied on MSM yet he had no idea what Sharia law, dhimmitude, nor the treatment of gays and women this fascism imposes. Butchery around the world yet he had no clue.
Our local paper ran the Washington Post story. In the first paragraph the general said the crisis had passed and things were returning to normal. But what was the headline? "General Says Civil War Possible". I have to wonder if the editors even read the story. Sure civil war is possible. It was always possible. It's also possible that I'll be hit by a meteorite or that I'll win the lottery. I guess it is too much to ask for them to quantify the possibility, especially that that doesn't fit their preconceived narrative.
I suppose this should not shock me and cause me dismay, but it does. Here are clear examples of major media intentional distortions. The kindest explanation I can conceive is that the current crop of reporters are deluded and so narcissistic that they cannot conceive of that which does not fit their expectations. Amazing.
We are in trouble. The culture is under attack by Fascists of the Left. Not only do they not trust us to make up our own minds and make our own decisions, they are working to keep us from accessing the raw data to do so.
Will they be the first lined up against the wall if things get ugly? I hope nobody goes against the wall, but I am begining to think that things may get just that ugly if everything goes bad.
God help us.
Trey
At what point, exactly does a consistent pattern of malreporting cross the line into a 'deliberate' disinformation campaign ?
Just asking. And on a related issue, can a society really remain 'free' in an atmosphere of 24-7 'agitprop'? When does enough really become ENOUGH?
Nice job - demonstrating the importance of reading the transcripts, not what the MSM claims was said.
In your first example, the NYT paragraph rates a "D-". However, the WaPo paragraph you quoted is pretty good, maybe an "A-". Here's a replay of the WaPo:
Moreover, in Baghdad, Iraqi security forces in several instances aided the militias' movements, allowing them to pass unhindered through checkpoints, according to military reports cited by Casey. He said the militias were primarily responsible for attacks on mosques in Baghdad, where militias in neighborhoods such as the predominantly Shiite Sadr City had taken to the streets immediately after the Samarra bombing.
To verify it you need to also consider Casey's comment during his main presentation, as follows:
I also know there's questions on the role of militias within this violence. Now, our estimate is that in the immediate wake of the bombings, in areas like Sadr City, militia did take to the streets. But in the vast majority of the cases, they yielded to Iraqi police and Iraqi security forces without conflict. We do have reports of Iraqi security forces assisting militia movements, particularly in the east Baghdad area, and we also believe that groups of militia were primarily responsible for the attacks against the mosques in the Baghdad area. And we continue to follow up on the information that we have on these with the Iraqi security forces.
Speaking of "Checkpoints" - I'd like to know the manning at those checkpoints compared to the size and firepower of the armed militia forces that were allowed to pass. There is a point where discretion becomes the better part of valor.
Steve
That's from the same WaPo report linked in the entry above.I agree that the Post did a better job than the Times - but they still downplayed the fact that their original reporting was overblown. In fact, they are now proposing a conspiracy theory for why the current death toll reports aren't as high as the 1,300 they first claimed.
But as Ralph Peters reports from Baghdad today:
On the other hand, Jonathan Finer's WaPo reports were reasonable, he was one of the first reporters back on the street a couple days after the original bombing. You'll find his story burried on page 11 of last Tuesday's print version, or here.
That report does cite the 1300 dead claim without sourcing it though - but its well worth a read. I can't say I agree with everything Finer writes, but I admire the comprehensive coverage he provides.
Oh Wise and Intelligent Grey-Feathered One,
An excellent dissection of the reports. And marvel at how far we have come to these days when a DoD report, outlining the transcript of a press conference has become more accurate, by orders of magnitude, than the so-called reports in our newspapers. Remember how in 1968 thru 1972 the press gained immeasurably in stature by finding unpopular facts which were not identified in the meager Armed Forces reporting of the time?
And they used those stories to build themselves an ivory pedestal, upon which they would stand and preen their beautiful feathers for all to see. All the while, they crowed shrilly and loudly about how much more professional and accurate they were than the reports of a discredited Pentagon, which had lied itself into incredulity with its malicious falsehoods. "Look at me, look at me, I am a much more beautiful bird than the DoD press", they raucously said.
Now many years later, we marvel how the line has come full circle, how the wheel has turned, and how the once beautiful peacocks have become the buzzards feasting on the rotting carcasses of the Truth. It is now a fact beyond reproach that the DoD press releases are more factual, accurate, and provide more bona fide analysis of Truth than ANY MSM news source in our world.
The story which would be fascinating to read or to hear would be the story of how the Department of Defense turned around their reputation, and improved their accuracy and credibility to this point. How was it achieved? And who were the Men and Women responsible for it?
If I look in the dictionary under American Soldier, I believe I would find the answers there. How about you? Soldier Bloggers, anyone?
Press on, Gents. To Unconditional Victory.
Subsunk
When I was a kid, back in the US of A, there was a Cold War era slogan that went "People who are free to choose will choose to be free."
The idea was that by beaming the truth by radio to the people trapped behind the controlled NEWS environment of the Iron Curtain we could change history.
Apparently we now need somebody to start beaming the truth into America?!
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