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March 2, 2006

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Daily Kos on Tall Afar

By Greyhawk

The Daily Kos crowd attempts to debunk the letter from the mayor of Tall Afar to the 3rd ACR.

They pretend to be (or are) confused by the fact that there were two letters - one to the 3rd ACR and the other to General Casey. Beyond that, their argument boils down to "everyone who says it's authentic is a liar."

Don't take my word for it - read it.

Col McMaster's wife is singled out in particular for scorn:

"This letter is not a fake it was given to my husband [CF Comment: Given to him BY WHOM] the commander of the Third Armored Cavalry Regiment. This is the second letter written .The first was written to GWB and Gen Casey asking if the 3ACR could stay and finish what they started."

Hmmm, sounds like a typical Cal Thomas sourcing job. HAH!

Later, in comments:
"This letter is not a fake "

That's the biggest clue - this letter is a fake.

That's about the strongest evidence they have to offer.

But they ignore the statements in published news stories confirming the letter. And beyond the first comments the thread quickly degenerates into accusations of atrocities committed by US troops in Iraq - rape, murder, use of chemical weapons against civilians - accusations that the Daily Kos crowd is eager to accept on faith.

As noted in our original post, you can't reason someone out of an opinion they were never reasoned into. But if you ever had any doubt, witness the American toilet Left at it's lowest. This isn't about the President, "the administration", or the DoD. These people hate and despise US soldiers to the point they can not accept the possibility that Americans are seen as liberators by even one man in one city in Iraq. The Kos entry is not an attempt to determine whether the letter is real; they want so badly to believe that US troops are thugs, rapists and murderers that they go to great lengths to attempt to discredit any evidence to the contrary.

Again, don't take my word for this - read it. Get to know who these people are.

And then (more importantly) read this - and get to know these people too.

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Update: Meanwhile, in Tall Afar, demonstrations break out following the Shrine bombing:

We had what was referred to as a "peaceful demonstration" the other day. I drove past, and it looked to me like maybe 150-200 adult males standing around in a line. Plus groups of them sitting down. Don't know what they were doing, but there was no dancing around, waving arms, burning anything, they didn't even appear to be chanting or anything. One guy was reading something off a paper, possibly out loud since there was a group of people that seemed to be paying attention to him. But it really didn't impress me as impending civil war.

Update 4 March: The story has disappeared from Daily Kos (although the tags remain) and another site where it was posted.


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I'm going to be sorry I went there aren't I?

There were two letters. The first, asking General Casy if the 3rd ACR could be extended, the second, thanking the 3rd ACR for their service.

The first letter being official referenced

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/Transcripts/060122.htm

Gen Alston -
"I'd like to take an opportunity to share with you a letter we received this week from the mayor of Tall Afar, Mayor Najim Abdullah al Jabouri. The letter addressed to General Casey expresses his desire for the men and women of the 3rd ACR to remain in the city until it is fully recovered. We have copies of the letter available after the press conference, but I'd like to highlight a couple of excerpts"

The second letter referenced in a Feb 20rd MNF-I Article -

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/Daily/Feb/060220.htm

“To the Courageous Men and Women of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment, who have changed the city of Tall Afar from a ghost town, in which terrorists spread death and destruction, to a secure city flourishing with life,” wrote Mayor Najim Abdullah Abid Al-Jibouri. “No matter how much I write or speak about this brave Regiment, I haven’t the words to describe the courage of its officers and soldiers. I pray to God to grant happiness and health to these legendary heroes and their brave families.”

You can take it Dave.

no, you dont really need to go there. the mighty Hawk has described the place very well as a toilet of left wing madness and hatred of anything in an American military uniform, from any era.

stay away from that site unless you really want to be repulsed.

The Daily Kos is worth visiting, just to see how sick the extreme left wing has become. And the sad thing is, the Democrat Party is using them as a resource. The Dems go down that road and they'll be permanently the minority party, while the Reps get more ingrained in the status quo, corrupt and ever farther from what brought them to power.

I don't need to go to the Daily Kos.
I've lived thru the(4 times) mad at the world of rantings of adolescents. Pretty impressive...Kos had managed to attract a bunch of 13 year olds to his cause.

Fagan managed that 150 years ago.

Must be a real accomplishment to be a character in a Dicken's novel.

Personally, I would be ashamed.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004