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December 15, 2005

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Bring the Boys (and Girls) Back Home?

By Greyhawk

The Left pretends it's never been said, the Right claims they said what they didn't - before the debate begins anew tomorrow, it might be useful to review their actual words.


Posted by Greyhawk / December 15, 2005 7:56 PM | Permalink

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HERE are some stupid words from a LIBERAL:
MATHEW JOHN HOLLY of the 101 AIRBORN, was sent home in the BELLY of a COMICAL PLAN with the CARGO of others.
NO DRESSED FLAG and no HONOR GUARD to MEET HIS REMAINES, when RUMSFILD was asked he refussed to COMMENT.
MORE and more SISTERS and BROTHERS are being found to be coming HOME this WAY. BUT don't worry you found no SPACE TO PRINT THIS STORY.
ONLY US UNAMERICAN FOUND IT WORTH POSTING , just another stupid comment from a LIBERAL

Umm Grandpa,

He printed this two days ago:

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/003933.html

Read slowly and carefully Grandpa, as I said our fallen are always treated with the upmost respect.

How was it done when you were in? How do you suppose it should be done? Where else, aside from the cargo/freight area of an airliner, could a coffin even be stored?

Please give details.
And don't forget current rules and regulations of the FAA.

In WW II, we buried them where they died or are in cemetaries in Europe. No home coming. We are honoring these men and women by bringing them home by ANY MEANS and it is always done honor and and with an escort.

I believe I accidentally deleted a trackback from this post - if it was yours, my apologies.

ACCORDING to the "SERVICE MANUAL" ARMY, ETC. :
" A SOLDIER THAT HAS FALLEN IN COMBAT MUST
BE GIVEN DUE HONORS"
NOW when I came home and before our FALLEN were always flown MILITARY HOME, MEET by an HONOR GUARD. ITS not new its not some thing we just do for someone. EVEN when a SOLDIER was to be layed to rest in HIS or now HER home town , HE or SHE IS
ACOMPANIED by a OFFICER to the FAMILYS HOME or ?.
THEN an HONOR GUARD WOULD LAY the SOLDIER TI REST giving HIS or HERS COUNTRYS FLAG that has made the trip with HIM or HE.
ITS called RESPECT / HONOR.
HE or SHE is not to be put into a BELLY of a COMERICAL FLIGHT with NO ACTIVE DUTY OFFICER or NONCOM to TAKE THE LAST MILES ALONE, WE OWE THEM MORE THEN THAT.
AS for the COURENT RULES amd REGULATIONS FAA the we have realy CHEAPEND the LIVES of OUR FALLEN.
I'M 63 years old and I fought beside many men I will never see or talk to again in the full count as we know (58,000) in a war some like this one.
WE as adults AND GROWN PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT WAR ONLY BRINGS DEATH.
IN IRAQ we will win in the end maybe
eight (8 to 10 ) years down, and thousands will die to bring this to pass.
BUT your generation has learned nothing from the past and war, many have just put this war out of minde and have let the "FEW" fight for the many.
BUT TO BE A PART OF IT AND TO ALOW MY BROTHER / SISTER TO BE DELIVERED AS A POUND OF CARGO, ITS AN INSULT TO HIM / HER AND THE OTHERS WHO WILL FALL IN THE FUTURE.
BUT again its your future not mine.
I'M sorry if I thought they DESERVED BETTER.

Grandpapete,

I was a CAO for a soldier that fell when with the 101st. He received an escort the entire way. He was treated with the utmost respect the entire way, and he was accompanied by a soldier in uniform. The widow and his family were walked through the entire process (paperwork, funeral arrangements, ect..) by me. Hardest thing I have ever done, but I must say that I was impressed every step of the way with the professionalism and respect with which the family and fallen soldier were treated. By the community (schools lined the roads, police escort ect...), soldiers and the army.

The army isn't perfect, but this is one thing they do RIGHT. If this incident did happen, then I agree that it is completely wrong and the soldier deserved better, but I would say it is a rare instance. The men and women taking their brother or sister to their final resting place KNOW what it means and they do it right. Plain and simple.

Although I don't agree with your politics, I must respect your passion.

Thank you.
A Soldier.

The thank you was for your service sir.

As Jason noted, there's a post elsewhere on this topic. Grandpapete, you especially should read it - you've fallen for an attack on the honor and dedication of the fine men and women who ensure all due honors are rendered the fallen. Read the link, you'll see first hand descriptions of the efforts of civilians - baggage handlers, airport cops and fire fighters, aircrews, other passengers - and fellow military members in this process. Further comments belong here. I won't tolerate additional attacks here.

Rick if you want to tell your story I'd be glad to post it here. Email me if you'd like.

Greyhawk,

Thanks for the offer, but I don't think it's my place to tell it. It was my honor and priviledge, but it is the story of the fallen soldier's family, not mine.

Absolutely love you blog by the way.

Copy that Rick, understand completely.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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  • rick: The thank you was for your service sir. read more
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The Mudville Gazette is written and produced by Greyhawk, who recently retired from 24 years of active duty in the US military, but will maintain this disclaimer: Unless otherwise credited, the opinions expressed are those of the author, and nothing here is to be taken as representing the official position of or endorsement by the United States Department of Defense or any of its subordinate components.

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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004