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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! December 12, 2005 The World Speaks...By Greyhawk... does anybody listen? A quick round-up of key quotes on Iraq, from all over the world this past week. Some made headlines, others went mostly unheard. December 4, USA, Senator John Kerry: Kerry: Let me--I--first of all, there is so much more that unites Democrats than divides us. And Democrats have much more in common with each other than they do with George Bush's policy right now. Now Joe Lieberman, I believe, also voted for the resolution which said the president needs to make more clear what he's doing and set out benchmarks, and that the policy hasn't been working. We all believe him when you say, 'Stay the course.' That's the president's policy, which hasn't been changing, which is a policy of failure. I don't agree with that. But I think what we need to do is recognize what we all agree on, which is you've got to begin to set benchmarks for accomplishment. You've got to begin to transfer authority to the Iraqis.December 5, Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moller Denmark: We're Staying The Course In IraqDecember 5, USA, Democrat Party Chairman Howard Dean: "The idea that we're going to win this war is an ideal that unfortunately is just plain wrong".December 5, Japan, Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari Iraqi Premier Asks Japan To Extend Troop MissionDecember 7, USA, President Bush: Democracy can be difficult and complicated and even chaotic. It can take years of hard work to build a healthy civil society. Iraqis have to overcome many challenges, including longstanding ethnic and religious tensions, and the legacy of brutal repression. But they're learning that democracy is the only way to build a just and peaceful society, because it's the only system that gives every citizen a voice in determining its future.December 8, USA, Howard Dean: Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean said Thursday his assertion that the United States cannot win the war in Iraq was reported "a little out of context," saying Democrats believe a new U.S. strategy is needed to succeed there.December 8, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia: Joining the U.S.-led military coalition in Iraq has brought real military and diplomatic benefits that help offset the cost in blood and treasure, top officials from three East European allies said in interviews this week.December 8, USA, Senator John Kerry: The United States needs to reduce its forces in Iraq by "at least 100,000" by the end of 2006, sending a message to the Middle East that Americans are not interested in maintaining a permanent military presence in that country, Sen. John Kerry said Thursday.December 9, Japan, Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi: Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi announced Thursday that his government had authorized extending the SDF deployment to the end of 2006, although the troops could be withdrawn earlier depending on conditions there.December 9, USA, congress: Representative Gary L. Ackerman, Democrat of New York, offered the fiercest comments from his side, referring to "the president who lied" and "the lying administration." Scolded by other members, he refused to back down. "They misled and lied; I'll say it again," Mr. Ackerman said.December 11, USA, Representative John Murtha (D-Pa) : Representative John Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who roiled Washington by calling for a quick troop withdrawal from Iraq, refused Sunday to back away, despite disagreement within his party.December 11, Iraqi people: An opinion poll suggests Iraqis are generally optimistic about their lives, in spite of the violence that has plagued Iraq since the US-led invasion. Posted by Greyhawk / December 12, 2005 6:55 PM | Permalink 23 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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How about quoting some of the propaganda that the U.S. paid to have inserted in the fair 'n balanced Iraqi press?
What kind of person do you have to be, to seek out a military blog and make such an idiotic comment?
An American exercising his free speech, which is something you rightwingnuts can't understand or appreciate. That's why you spend your time clicking your heels, raising a stiff right arm and shouting Jawohl, mein Fuhrer Bush every time the Liar in Chief speaks.
*yawn*
Yet another hack who brings nothing to the table to the topic except that Bush = Hitler. How about some substance without the ad hominiem bile?
Willy, I don't think you understand or appreciate why you're still allowed to comment on this forum or the forums of soldiers in theater you continue to harass. (Grey Eagle)
AS some REPUBLICANS would call MURTHA a COWARD, who would " CUT and RUN ", maybe they should ask why are our ARMY , GUARD and MARINE FALLEN being sent home in the bellys of DELTA WITH THE CARGO.
" MATTHEW JOHN HOLLY a MEDIC with the 101 AIRBIRN and OTHER SERVICE FALLEN are being shiped HOME ALONE WITH EVERY ONES BAGGEAGE.
NO FLAG, NO COLOR GUARD, NO UNIFORM TO WATCH OVER HIM, has the PORK GREEDY GONGRESS AND SENATE in WASHINGTON STOLEN SO MUCH there is NO
MONEY LEFT TO FLY OUR MEN and WOMAN HOME?, OR
FOR AN HONOR GUARD ?. I'M A VETERAN, A LIBERAL
AMERICAN and I'M tired of the GREED and LIES in WASHINGTON and the way my BROTHERS and SISTERS ARE BEING TREATED BY MY SO CALLED LEADERS.
and you are also a liar.
I have made the trip back with my fallen brothers and sisters and they are treated with the upmost respect.
There was something that struck me (not literally) while flying missions over Baghdad, and that was the construction. Everywhere people were building, building houses, apartments and businesses. These weren't American run projects, these were people getting their lives together and building for the future.
If things were indeed as bleak as some try to paint them why would these folks be spending money and building houses?
It seems to me the folks who bleat the loudest about how bad things are in Iraq either haven't been there lately if at all.
This demagoguery against the war does nothing but encourage our enemies to fight harder and in the end put the soldiers they falsely claim to support at greater risk. There is a special place in Hell reserved for this mealy mouthed rabble that chooses to place personal and political gain ahead of the well-being and security of their own country.
If things were indeed as bleak as some try to paint them why would these folks be spending money and building houses?
Maybe because after someone flies overhead, drops all kinds of bombs and kills everyone in sight, people want to have at least something to live in? Probably didn't hurt that the corrupt American occupation force handed out money by the bushelbasket to their cronies over there, too.
Our resident troll's memory hole includes the 'fair and balance' coverage of Saddam regime by that so god like free press which paid for access and only carried favorable stories.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/johnleo/2003/09/22/168225.html
If you think I'm some sort of fan of CNN, think again. Frankly, the news media are a joke and that's why they're losing their readers and listeners by the truckload.
I see Wilson, but you are NOT a joke?
Listen up, phony patriots! Look at what your Fake President's invasion and occupation has accomplished. Congratulations! You've killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, including at least twice as many Iraqi children as all the civilians killed on 9/11.
You've used incendiary munitions in a city with large civilian concentrations in violation of the Third Geneva Conventions, and then lied about it in such a way that has left the U.S. military with no more credibility than Baghdad Bob.
You've used torture, sexual perversion and blasphemy as weapons, dishonoring the U.S. military and core American values in the process.
And for what? So Iraq can fall under the control of Iran. Not only is the war wrong, but it is incompetent and stupid. Oh, and did I mention that it's cost at least $300 billion so far?
http://w3t.org/?u=fe7
*ahem*
What a wonderful series of quotations, Greyhawk. Very interesting and enlightening. I'm glad you make the time and take the effort to do this.
"If things were indeed as bleak as some try to paint them why would these folks be spending money and building houses?"
"Maybe because after someone flies overhead, drops all kinds of bombs and kills everyone in sight, people want to have at least something to live in? Probably didn't hurt that the corrupt American occupation force handed out money by the bushelbasket to their cronies over there, too."
You have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about.
There are no jet fighters reducing the city of Baghdad to rubble. But of course what I saw with my own two eyes doesn't even compare to your fevered imagination.
I personally witnessed soldiers hold their fire when they were well within their rights by the ROE to shoot...just because we were worried about hurting innocent people. You Sir are a misinformed oxygen thief.
Listen up, phony patriots! Look at what your Fake President's invasion and occupation has accomplished. Congratulations! You've killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, including at least twice as many Iraqi children as all the civilians killed on 9/11.
Excuse me -- just how many of those you say were killed by us, were in fact killed by the pulled triggers and pushed buttons of the terrorists and dead-enders?
How many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS before that were killed by Saddam ... and where you you to stop that?
Go read Tommy Franks' autobiography, Wilson ... see just how precise our targeting was, and how we SPARED civilian areas.
You've used incendiary munitions in a city with large civilian concentrations in violation of the Third Geneva Conventions, and then lied about it in such a way that has left the U.S. military with no more credibility than Baghdad Bob.
You mean "no more credibility thant Wilson Kolb"?
If you are talking about Fallujah, Greyhawk has repeatedly pointed out that civilians had more-than-fair warning to leave before we went in and cleaned that nest of snakes out.
You've used torture, sexual perversion and blasphemy as weapons, dishonoring the U.S. military and core American values in the process.
And, even after more than a year, you have yet to prove that torture was a government policy, as opposed to the actions of rogues.
And for what? So Iraq can fall under the control of Iran.
You were recently telling us that this war was for the benefit of Halliburton and ExxonMobil ... so are you a Fake Dissenter now? By your own standards, you lied about this.
One might thing that the Fake Peace of Saddam's Iraq was going to be your ticket to fortune ... but instead, you lost your shirt speculating on Euros, thinking the oil-producing nations of the world ... and are now seeking your revenge, right along with fellow currency-speculator George Soros.
Do I believe the above? No ... but it sounds just as plausible as the bilge you've been dishing out.
Not only is the war wrong, but it is incompetent and stupid.
I think that History's Verdict on OIF will be quite the opposite ... it will show this war was competently prosecuted, logically justified, and morally right.
Oh, and did I mention that it's cost at least $300 billion so far?
Call me when we've spent the same amount as we spent on the failed War on Poverty ... as in $3 Trillion! And, don't forget ... we pay almost that much as a nation EACH YEAR, just to do our taxes.
There are no jet fighters reducing the city of Baghdad to rubble.
Another lie. There were all kinds of stories, even in the government-intimidated imitation of an American free press, about the bombs that fell on civilians neighborhoods. To this day, there is less electricity in Baghdad than before the war, and less access to clean water and sewage, and the streets are far more dangerous.
The American invasion and occupation has been a disaster. Your occupation killed at least twice as many Iraqi children as all the civilians who died on 9/11, and the U.S. military shamed itself and its country by incorporating torture into its standard operating procedures.
In other cities, such as Fallujah, the U.S. reduced them to rubble and used incendiary weapons in violation of the Third Geneva Conventions. Of course, you just LOVE war crimes, so it's not a problem for you, is it? Shake & Bake! Did you help?
Then the U.S. government compounded everything by lying either directly or through its wingnut surrogates at propaganda outlets like FauxNews. Remember "fraternity pranks?" Well, fine. If that's all they were, then you whack-jobs (pardon the pun) shouldn't have any objection to the rest of the Abu Ghraib photos and tapes being released, should you?
I personally witnessed soldiers hold their fire when they were well within their rights by the ROE to shoot...just because we were worried about hurting innocent people. You Sir are a misinformed oxygen thief.
Yeah, and I saw pictures of American soldiers engaged in perverted acts on Iraqis. You, sir, are a liar. Your mission has shamed my country, undermined my freedom and made all of us here in the United States less safe.
If you are talking about Fallujah, Greyhawk has repeatedly pointed out that civilians had more-than-fair warning to leave before we went in and cleaned that nest of snakes out.
That's a sick joke. Where were they supposed to go? Did the U.S. prepare anyplace for them? Some people did try to leave, and I have already posted eyewitness accounts of U.S. soldiers shooting families as they went.
The U.S. military knew that there were large concentrations of civilians in Fallujah and they used incendiary weapons on them anyway. That's a war crime. But you LOVE war crimes, don't you Rich? Torture too! So American!
Casebolt asked Kolb:
You were recently telling us that this war was for the benefit of Halliburton and ExxonMobil ... so are you a Fake Dissenter now? By your own standards, you lied about this.
No, I think he's being quite consistent: any claim he can grab to discredit our efforts in Iraq is "true" to him. ;)
....I can guess Kolb's dropping the "I support the troops" claim. Unless he's using a new variant: giving the kind of pitied, patronizing "support" you give to psychotic criminals, since all the crimes he's claiming happened were committed by the troops he claims to support.
The usual variants of leftist "support" of the troops:
As abused children. "Poor widdle babies, it wasn't your fault you were kidnapped and forced to fight by Chimpy McHitler."
..and now psychotic criminals. "Poor widdle axe murderer, it wasn't your fault..."
Oh wait, there was some movie reviewer who thought zombies were a good metaphor for our troops, though I haven't seen Kolb use it.
I guess the best way to convince some one of your opinion is to immediately resort to personal attacks.
Willy- I am a big enough man to admit a mistake. I should not have called your first post "idiotic". Knowing now what I didn't know then, your subsequent posts were increasingly more idiotic.
"JASSON" DEC.12,2005
PLEASE don't ever call me a LIAR untill you get your facts right, your an insult to the MEN and WOMAN who have come home this way.
GO to NEWS and VIDEO from ( NEWS 10 NEW YORK ) AT
" www.10news.com/news/5504608/detail.thml "
A MARINE MEDIC MATHEW JOHN HOLLY, of the
" 101 AIRBORN " arrived home on a COMERICAL AIRLINE with the CARGO, NO FLAG OR HONOR GUARD.
HIS FATHER AND MOTHER MR JOHN HOLLY A EX MARINE HIMSLEF made the COMPLAINT and there are others who have come home this way.
THE PENTAGONE KKNOWS but REFUSSES TO ANSWER.
AGAIN don't BELIVE every thing YOU MAY HEAR BUT DON'T CALL PEOPLE LIARS UNTILL YOU KNOW THE TRUTH.