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December 12, 2005

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The World Speaks...

By Greyhawk

... does anybody listen? A quick round-up of key quotes on Iraq, from all over the world this past week. Some made headlines, others went mostly unheard.

December 4, USA, Senator John Kerry:

Kerry: Let me--I--first of all, there is so much more that unites Democrats than divides us. And Democrats have much more in common with each other than they do with George Bush's policy right now. Now Joe Lieberman, I believe, also voted for the resolution which said the president needs to make more clear what he's doing and set out benchmarks, and that the policy hasn't been working. We all believe him when you say, 'Stay the course.' That's the president's policy, which hasn't been changing, which is a policy of failure. I don't agree with that. But I think what we need to do is recognize what we all agree on, which is you've got to begin to set benchmarks for accomplishment. You've got to begin to transfer authority to the Iraqis.

And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not--

Schieffer: Yeah.

Kerry: --Iraqis should be doing that.

December 5, Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moller
Denmark: We're Staying The Course In Iraq

HELSINKI -- After a U.S. commander said that Denmark might be able to bring its 230 troops home from Iraq next year, the Danish foreign minister responded in true “stay-the-course” fashion.

“Danish soldiers are in Iraq for a strategic military purpose and will stay there until we are requested to withdraw them by the Iraqi authorities,” Per Stig Moller told the Danish legislature Nov. 28.

Moller said his government is cautiously optimistic about a 2006 withdrawal, but that “our presence entirely depends on the terrorist situation and whether stability and the democratic rule of law can be established.”

Moller was responding to remarks made by U.S. Army Gen. George Casey, the commander of American forces in Iraq, to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten on Nov. 22.

“The probability of Danish troops leaving Iraq and returning to Denmark in 2006, at this point in time, are good,” Casey told the newspaper. “This situation has been made possible because Iraqi security forces are beginning to take the lead in operations against insurgents, [and] with our support, we can let them take over.”

Denmark, which was the only Scandinavian country to throw its full political support behind the American-led invasion, has sent a total of 1,600 troops to Iraq. They have served in the roles of infantry and various specialties, including mechanics, technicians and computer-center personnel, under British command in the southeastern sector of Iraq.

Casey told Moller on Nov. 21 that Danish troops would likely be able to return home in the second half of 2006, as Iraqi forces assume more of the leadership and burden of fighting insurgents.

But Moller sounded less convinced the situation would be improved enough by then.

“The security situation in Iraq remains tense and volatile. We can see this from our intelligence reports,” the minister told lawmakers.

He restated government policy that Danish troops would remain in service in Iraq for as long as Iraqi officials believed the security situation there warranted: “Any request to withdraw must first come from the government of Iraq, with whom we are in dialogue.”

Moller said his Iraqi counterpart told him Nov. 4 that Iraq would continue to need the presence of foreign troops throughout 2006. “Even if a withdrawal happens in 2006, we expect that Denmark could be called on by NATO to lend support to the fledgling Iraqi forces.”

In any case, Moller said, the public discussion of exact withdrawal dates would help the enemy.

“Airing such details and security matters in public would merely serve the cause of the insurgents,” he told the lawmakers.

December 5, USA, Democrat Party Chairman Howard Dean:
"The idea that we're going to win this war is an ideal that unfortunately is just plain wrong".
December 5, Japan, Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari
Iraqi Premier Asks Japan To Extend Troop Mission

TOKYO -- Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari called on Japan to extend its controversial military deployment to the war-torn country which is set to expire next week.

Despite growing calls in the United States for a pullout, Japan is all but certain to extend its largely symbolic mission of 600 troops in the relatively safe southern Iraqi city of Samawa into next year.

Japan is reportedly hoping to pull out sometime in 2006 with Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi telling Jaafari that Japan could help Iraq more as an economic rather than military partner once security improved.

Jaafari, paying a brief first visit to one of his government’s main financial backers, said Iraqis “appreciate” the Japanese troops, who are on Tokyo’s first mission since World War II to a country at war.

"I know the mission of the Self-Defense Forces will expire on (December) 14th. I deeply hope you extend it,” Jaafari told Koizumi, according to a Japanese official privy to the talks.

"We believe it’s too early for the Self-Defense Forces to exit Iraq,” Jaafari said. “Extending the deployment would be investing in Iraq’s future.”

Koizumi said that the praise would “encourage” the Japanese troops.

"I recognize your high regard for the Japanese troops and your request to extend the mission,” Koizumi told Jaafari. “I will take it into account when we make our decision comprehensively.”

December 7, USA, President Bush:
Democracy can be difficult and complicated and even chaotic. It can take years of hard work to build a healthy civil society. Iraqis have to overcome many challenges, including longstanding ethnic and religious tensions, and the legacy of brutal repression. But they're learning that democracy is the only way to build a just and peaceful society, because it's the only system that gives every citizen a voice in determining its future.

Before our mission in Iraq is accomplished, there will be tough days ahead. Victory in Iraq will require continued sacrifice by our men and women in uniform, and the continued determination of our citizens. There will be good days and there will be bad days in this war. I reject the pessimists in Washington who say we can't win this war. Yet every day, we can be confident of the outcome because we know that freedom has got the power to overcome terror and tyranny. We can be confident about the outcome because we know the character and strength of the men and women in the fight. Their courage makes all Americans proud.

This generation of Americans in uniform is every bit as brave and determined as the generation that went to war after the attack on our nation 64 years ago today. Like those who came before, they are defeating a dangerous enemy, bringing freedom to millions, and transforming a troubled part of the world. And like those who came before, they will always have the gratitude of the American people.

Our nation will uphold the cause for which our men and women in uniform are risking their lives. We will continue to hunt down the terrorists wherever they hide. We will help the Iraqi people so they can build a free society in the heart of a troubled region. And by laying the foundations of freedom in Iraq and across the broader Middle East, we will lay the foundation of peace for generations to come.

December 8, USA, Howard Dean:
Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean said Thursday his assertion that the United States cannot win the war in Iraq was reported "a little out of context," saying Democrats believe a new U.S. strategy is needed to succeed there.

Seeking to clarify a statement in a Texas radio interview that Republicans harshly assailed and some Democrats questioned, Dean said, "They kind of cherry-picked that one the same way the president cherry-picked the intelligence going into Iraq."

December 8, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia:
Joining the U.S.-led military coalition in Iraq has brought real military and diplomatic benefits that help offset the cost in blood and treasure, top officials from three East European allies said in interviews this week.

"We supported the war in Iraq and have our troops there now not because we felt threatened directly by Saddam Hussein," said Polish Defense Minister Radek Sikorski.

"We are there because of our investment in a strong U.S.-Polish relationship. We want to show the United States we will be with them when we are needed," he said. "To that extent, we have done what we hoped to do."

But Ukrainian Defense Minister Anatoliy Hrytsenko said his country's decision to deploy nearly 1,600 troops to Iraq in 2003 helped establish a "sphere of trust" with the Bush administration, even as the government of President Viktor Yushchenko prepares to bring all but a few Ukrainian troops home.

"For us, it has been a successful deployment, and our withdrawal has been fully coordinated with our American, Iraqi and coalition allies," he said. "We are not leaving in the middle of the night, as some others did."

Mr. Hrytsenko said security in the south-central Iraqi region overseen by Ukrainian forces was good, and noted that Ukrainian troops had been able to train a 2,700-strong brigade of Iraqi troops to assume control of the sector.

Ukraine also will leave behind a sizable cache of military equipment for use by the Iraqi security forces. Mr. Yushchenko has announced that a detachment of 50 Ukrainian soldiers will stay on after the larger force withdraws.

"We are leaving the Ukrainian flag in Iraq. We will still be part of the coalition," Mr. Hrytsenko said.

In Georgia, perhaps the most pro-U.S. country in Europe, the Iraq mission has provided excellent real-world training and a means to showcase Georgia's military prowess as it applies for membership in NATO.

"It has been very good for our capabilities and our experience," said Giorgi Baramidze, former defense minister and now Georgia's state minister for Euro-Atlantic integration.

He said Army Gen. George W. Casey, the U.S. military commander in Iraq, told him U.S. Marines came to prefer staging missions with Georgian soldiers "because our troops are so enthusiastic."

Unlike Poland and Ukraine, Georgia's 900 soldiers in Iraq, some stationed with U.S. troops in the violent Sunni Arab heartland, will remain with the U.S.-led mission indefinitely, Mr. Baramidze said.

All three ministers said their Iraq commitments have come with costs. Nineteen Polish troops and 18 Ukrainian troops have been killed in Iraq. Georgia's casualties have been limited to one seriously wounded soldier, who is being treated at Washington's Walter Reed Army Hospital.

Poland's Mr. Sikorski said the Iraq commitment has damaged his country's relations with other powers in the European Union and with some Arab states.
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Mr. Sikorski said that Iraqi civilian casualties in the Polish-run sector were the lowest in the country and said security was improving daily.

"If the rest of Iraq looked like our zone, the country would be in pretty good shape," he said.

December 8, USA, Senator John Kerry:
The United States needs to reduce its forces in Iraq by "at least 100,000" by the end of 2006, sending a message to the Middle East that Americans are not interested in maintaining a permanent military presence in that country, Sen. John Kerry said Thursday.

He conceded "you're going to have to see where you are. ... I would not do it on a fixed automatic table. It has to be results coordinated."
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But the Massachusetts senator also took aim at his colleagues in Congress.

"Never in the 21 years that I have been in the Congress ... have we seen as dysfunctional an institution as the Congress is today," he said. "Almost every great issue facing our nation is not being genuinely discussed."

December 9, Japan, Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi:
Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi announced Thursday that his government had authorized extending the SDF deployment to the end of 2006, although the troops could be withdrawn earlier depending on conditions there.

His Australian counterpart, John Howard, said shortly afterwards that Australian forces would in that case remain on too, in line with Japan's decision.

"We'll continue to work with our Japanese friends, we'll continue to provide security," he said.

"It's important that Japan retains a presence in Iraq and we intend to be part of that continuing presence."

"The United States highly values Japan's leadership in reconstruction efforts in Iraq," State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said Thursday.

December 9, USA, congress:
Representative Gary L. Ackerman, Democrat of New York, offered the fiercest comments from his side, referring to "the president who lied" and "the lying administration." Scolded by other members, he refused to back down. "They misled and lied; I'll say it again," Mr. Ackerman said.

The Republican committee chairman, Henry J. Hyde of Illinois, fired back by reading from The Congressional Record remarks by Mr. Ackerman in October 2002 before he voted in favor of the Congressional resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq, "We cannot simply hope that U.N. inspections will rout out Saddam Hussein's weapons of terror."
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Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Republican of Florida, declared that some Democrats "do not want us to win in Iraq" for fear that it would give the administration a political victory. When his turn came, Representative Donald M. Payne, Democrat of New Jersey, said he was "shocked" by her accusation.

"That is probably one of the most dastardly statements I ever heard a member of Congress make," he said.

December 11, USA, Representative John Murtha (D-Pa) :
Representative John Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who roiled Washington by calling for a quick troop withdrawal from Iraq, refused Sunday to back away, despite disagreement within his party.

"The majority of people in Iraq are in favor of us getting out now," he said on CBS. "We have become the enemy."

December 11, Iraqi people:
An opinion poll suggests Iraqis are generally optimistic about their lives, in spite of the violence that has plagued Iraq since the US-led invasion.
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The poll by Oxford Research International was commissioned by the BBC, ABC News and other international media organisations, and released ahead of this week's parliamentary elections in Iraq.
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The BBC News website's World Affairs correspondent, Paul Reynolds, says the survey shows a degree of optimism at variance with the usual depiction of the country as one in total chaos.

The findings are more in line with the kind of arguments currently being deployed by US President George W Bush, he says.

However, our correspondent adds that critics will claim that the survey proves little beyond showing how resilient Iraqis are at a local level - and that it reveals enough important exceptions to the rosy assessment, especially in the centre of the country, to indicate serious dissatisfaction.

Interviewers found that 71% of those questioned said things were currently very or quite good in their personal lives, while 29% found their lives very or quite bad.

When asked whether their lives would improve in the coming year, 64% said things would be better and 12% said they expected things to be worse.
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When asked to choose a priority for the new government due to be formed after this week's elections, 57% wanted to focus on restoring public security.

Removing US-led forces from Iraq came second with 10%, while rebuilding the country's infrastructure was third.


Posted by Greyhawk / December 12, 2005 6:55 PM | Permalink

23 Comments

How about quoting some of the propaganda that the U.S. paid to have inserted in the fair 'n balanced Iraqi press?

What kind of person do you have to be, to seek out a military blog and make such an idiotic comment?

An American exercising his free speech, which is something you rightwingnuts can't understand or appreciate. That's why you spend your time clicking your heels, raising a stiff right arm and shouting Jawohl, mein Fuhrer Bush every time the Liar in Chief speaks.

*yawn*

Yet another hack who brings nothing to the table to the topic except that Bush = Hitler. How about some substance without the ad hominiem bile?

Willy, I don't think you understand or appreciate why you're still allowed to comment on this forum or the forums of soldiers in theater you continue to harass. (Grey Eagle)

AS some REPUBLICANS would call MURTHA a COWARD, who would " CUT and RUN ", maybe they should ask why are our ARMY , GUARD and MARINE FALLEN being sent home in the bellys of DELTA WITH THE CARGO.
" MATTHEW JOHN HOLLY a MEDIC with the 101 AIRBIRN and OTHER SERVICE FALLEN are being shiped HOME ALONE WITH EVERY ONES BAGGEAGE.
NO FLAG, NO COLOR GUARD, NO UNIFORM TO WATCH OVER HIM, has the PORK GREEDY GONGRESS AND SENATE in WASHINGTON STOLEN SO MUCH there is NO
MONEY LEFT TO FLY OUR MEN and WOMAN HOME?, OR
FOR AN HONOR GUARD ?. I'M A VETERAN, A LIBERAL
AMERICAN and I'M tired of the GREED and LIES in WASHINGTON and the way my BROTHERS and SISTERS ARE BEING TREATED BY MY SO CALLED LEADERS.

and you are also a liar.

I have made the trip back with my fallen brothers and sisters and they are treated with the upmost respect.

There was something that struck me (not literally) while flying missions over Baghdad, and that was the construction. Everywhere people were building, building houses, apartments and businesses. These weren't American run projects, these were people getting their lives together and building for the future.

If things were indeed as bleak as some try to paint them why would these folks be spending money and building houses?

It seems to me the folks who bleat the loudest about how bad things are in Iraq either haven't been there lately if at all.

This demagoguery against the war does nothing but encourage our enemies to fight harder and in the end put the soldiers they falsely claim to support at greater risk. There is a special place in Hell reserved for this mealy mouthed rabble that chooses to place personal and political gain ahead of the well-being and security of their own country.

If things were indeed as bleak as some try to paint them why would these folks be spending money and building houses?
Maybe because after someone flies overhead, drops all kinds of bombs and kills everyone in sight, people want to have at least something to live in? Probably didn't hurt that the corrupt American occupation force handed out money by the bushelbasket to their cronies over there, too.

Our resident troll's memory hole includes the 'fair and balance' coverage of Saddam regime by that so god like free press which paid for access and only carried favorable stories.

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/johnleo/2003/09/22/168225.html

If you think I'm some sort of fan of CNN, think again. Frankly, the news media are a joke and that's why they're losing their readers and listeners by the truckload.

I see Wilson, but you are NOT a joke?

Listen up, phony patriots! Look at what your Fake President's invasion and occupation has accomplished. Congratulations! You've killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, including at least twice as many Iraqi children as all the civilians killed on 9/11.

You've used incendiary munitions in a city with large civilian concentrations in violation of the Third Geneva Conventions, and then lied about it in such a way that has left the U.S. military with no more credibility than Baghdad Bob.

You've used torture, sexual perversion and blasphemy as weapons, dishonoring the U.S. military and core American values in the process.

And for what? So Iraq can fall under the control of Iran. Not only is the war wrong, but it is incompetent and stupid. Oh, and did I mention that it's cost at least $300 billion so far?

http://w3t.org/?u=fe7

*ahem*

What a wonderful series of quotations, Greyhawk. Very interesting and enlightening. I'm glad you make the time and take the effort to do this.

"If things were indeed as bleak as some try to paint them why would these folks be spending money and building houses?"

"Maybe because after someone flies overhead, drops all kinds of bombs and kills everyone in sight, people want to have at least something to live in? Probably didn't hurt that the corrupt American occupation force handed out money by the bushelbasket to their cronies over there, too."

You have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about.

There are no jet fighters reducing the city of Baghdad to rubble. But of course what I saw with my own two eyes doesn't even compare to your fevered imagination.

I personally witnessed soldiers hold their fire when they were well within their rights by the ROE to shoot...just because we were worried about hurting innocent people. You Sir are a misinformed oxygen thief.

Listen up, phony patriots! Look at what your Fake President's invasion and occupation has accomplished. Congratulations! You've killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, including at least twice as many Iraqi children as all the civilians killed on 9/11.

Excuse me -- just how many of those you say were killed by us, were in fact killed by the pulled triggers and pushed buttons of the terrorists and dead-enders?

How many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS before that were killed by Saddam ... and where you you to stop that?

Go read Tommy Franks' autobiography, Wilson ... see just how precise our targeting was, and how we SPARED civilian areas.

You've used incendiary munitions in a city with large civilian concentrations in violation of the Third Geneva Conventions, and then lied about it in such a way that has left the U.S. military with no more credibility than Baghdad Bob.

You mean "no more credibility thant Wilson Kolb"?

If you are talking about Fallujah, Greyhawk has repeatedly pointed out that civilians had more-than-fair warning to leave before we went in and cleaned that nest of snakes out.

You've used torture, sexual perversion and blasphemy as weapons, dishonoring the U.S. military and core American values in the process.

And, even after more than a year, you have yet to prove that torture was a government policy, as opposed to the actions of rogues.

And for what? So Iraq can fall under the control of Iran.

You were recently telling us that this war was for the benefit of Halliburton and ExxonMobil ... so are you a Fake Dissenter now? By your own standards, you lied about this.

One might thing that the Fake Peace of Saddam's Iraq was going to be your ticket to fortune ... but instead, you lost your shirt speculating on Euros, thinking the oil-producing nations of the world ... and are now seeking your revenge, right along with fellow currency-speculator George Soros.

Do I believe the above? No ... but it sounds just as plausible as the bilge you've been dishing out.

Not only is the war wrong, but it is incompetent and stupid.

I think that History's Verdict on OIF will be quite the opposite ... it will show this war was competently prosecuted, logically justified, and morally right.

Oh, and did I mention that it's cost at least $300 billion so far?

Call me when we've spent the same amount as we spent on the failed War on Poverty ... as in $3 Trillion! And, don't forget ... we pay almost that much as a nation EACH YEAR, just to do our taxes.

There are no jet fighters reducing the city of Baghdad to rubble.
Another lie. There were all kinds of stories, even in the government-intimidated imitation of an American free press, about the bombs that fell on civilians neighborhoods. To this day, there is less electricity in Baghdad than before the war, and less access to clean water and sewage, and the streets are far more dangerous.

The American invasion and occupation has been a disaster. Your occupation killed at least twice as many Iraqi children as all the civilians who died on 9/11, and the U.S. military shamed itself and its country by incorporating torture into its standard operating procedures.

In other cities, such as Fallujah, the U.S. reduced them to rubble and used incendiary weapons in violation of the Third Geneva Conventions. Of course, you just LOVE war crimes, so it's not a problem for you, is it? Shake & Bake! Did you help?

Then the U.S. government compounded everything by lying either directly or through its wingnut surrogates at propaganda outlets like FauxNews. Remember "fraternity pranks?" Well, fine. If that's all they were, then you whack-jobs (pardon the pun) shouldn't have any objection to the rest of the Abu Ghraib photos and tapes being released, should you?


I personally witnessed soldiers hold their fire when they were well within their rights by the ROE to shoot...just because we were worried about hurting innocent people. You Sir are a misinformed oxygen thief.
Yeah, and I saw pictures of American soldiers engaged in perverted acts on Iraqis. You, sir, are a liar. Your mission has shamed my country, undermined my freedom and made all of us here in the United States less safe.

If you are talking about Fallujah, Greyhawk has repeatedly pointed out that civilians had more-than-fair warning to leave before we went in and cleaned that nest of snakes out.
That's a sick joke. Where were they supposed to go? Did the U.S. prepare anyplace for them? Some people did try to leave, and I have already posted eyewitness accounts of U.S. soldiers shooting families as they went.

The U.S. military knew that there were large concentrations of civilians in Fallujah and they used incendiary weapons on them anyway. That's a war crime. But you LOVE war crimes, don't you Rich? Torture too! So American!

Casebolt asked Kolb:
You were recently telling us that this war was for the benefit of Halliburton and ExxonMobil ... so are you a Fake Dissenter now? By your own standards, you lied about this.

No, I think he's being quite consistent: any claim he can grab to discredit our efforts in Iraq is "true" to him. ;)

....I can guess Kolb's dropping the "I support the troops" claim. Unless he's using a new variant: giving the kind of pitied, patronizing "support" you give to psychotic criminals, since all the crimes he's claiming happened were committed by the troops he claims to support.

The usual variants of leftist "support" of the troops:

As abused children. "Poor widdle babies, it wasn't your fault you were kidnapped and forced to fight by Chimpy McHitler."
..and now psychotic criminals. "Poor widdle axe murderer, it wasn't your fault..."
Oh wait, there was some movie reviewer who thought zombies were a good metaphor for our troops, though I haven't seen Kolb use it.

I guess the best way to convince some one of your opinion is to immediately resort to personal attacks.
Willy- I am a big enough man to admit a mistake. I should not have called your first post "idiotic". Knowing now what I didn't know then, your subsequent posts were increasingly more idiotic.

"JASSON" DEC.12,2005
PLEASE don't ever call me a LIAR untill you get your facts right, your an insult to the MEN and WOMAN who have come home this way.
GO to NEWS and VIDEO from ( NEWS 10 NEW YORK ) AT
" www.10news.com/news/5504608/detail.thml "
A MARINE MEDIC MATHEW JOHN HOLLY, of the
" 101 AIRBORN " arrived home on a COMERICAL AIRLINE with the CARGO, NO FLAG OR HONOR GUARD.
HIS FATHER AND MOTHER MR JOHN HOLLY A EX MARINE HIMSLEF made the COMPLAINT and there are others who have come home this way.
THE PENTAGONE KKNOWS but REFUSSES TO ANSWER.
AGAIN don't BELIVE every thing YOU MAY HEAR BUT DON'T CALL PEOPLE LIARS UNTILL YOU KNOW THE TRUTH.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004