Dawn Patrol 11/18/2009
[Mrs Greyhawk]
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AFGHANISTAN/PAKISTAN
Boondoggle -- [3rd Time, New Country - in Afghanistan]
I know I am a little late on posting to my blog, but I returned from a boondoggle out to Mazar-e-Sharif in the Northern provinces. I even have some pictures to post with this entry. First, let me recap last week. We did make a normal trip to NDS. It was actually a clear, cool morning which is a rarity here in Kabul. The pollution is so thick that it is very rare to see the distant mountains. So, here is a picture of the snow-capped mountains, west of Kabul. This picture was taken last Monday. I haven't seen the mountains since. Other than that, it was a normal week of mentoring. There are always little things to work on and improve in the OT. Friday was another violent day here in Kabul. The Taliban used a SVBIED outside Camp Phoenix a little before 0800. There were no American casualties, but there were injuries.
Clinton in Kabul for Karzai's inauguration -- [Foreign Policy - AfPak]
U.S. President Barack Obama reportedly told CNN today that he is "very close" to making a decision about whether to send more U.S. troops to Afghanistan and plans to make an announcement "in the next several weeks," after more than two months of deliberations (Reuters, Reuters). Obama is reportedly angry about the stream of leaks that has come out about his Afghanistan decision, telling CBS, "For people to be releasing info in the course of deliberations is not appropriate" and said yes when asked if that is a "firing offense" (CBS, Politico). Meanwhile
The war of leaks -- [Foreign Policy - AfPak]
The Obama Administration's social media prowess has been a novelty among latter day political media machines. It helped to crowd-source the campaign funding needed to put Barack Obama in the White House, and generated a populist gloss that was, at the time, convincingly fresh and transparent. What was equally admirable was its apparent internal discipline over when information made the transition from government secret to press release. Controlling the flow of data and keeping secrets secret is a challenge under any circumstance. Combine that with a predilection for Facebook and Twitter, and a hyperactive security officer might expect policy waters to muddy more quickly than they would under normal circumstances.
So when U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry's expressed his "discomfort" last week over a possible troop surge, via diplomatic cable to Washington, it's no wonder that the message ended up dominating headlines.
Ridding Afghanistan of Corruption Will Be No Easy Task -- [Los Angeles Times]
Afghans have a name for the huge, gaudy mansions that have sprung up in Kabul's wealthy Sherpur neighborhood since 2001. They call them "poppy palaces." The cost of building one of these homes, which are adorned with sweeping terraces and ornate columns, can run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Many are owned by government officials whose formal salaries are a few hundred dollars a month. To the capital's jaded residents, there are few more potent symbols of the corruption that permeates every level of Afghan society, from the traffic policemen who shake down motorists to top government officials and their relatives who are implicated in the opium trade.
Afghan Minister Accused of Taking Bribe -- [Washington Post]
The Afghan minister of mines accepted a roughly $30 million bribe to award the country's largest development project to a Chinese mining firm, according to a US official who is familiar with military intelligence reports. The allegation, if proved true, would mark one of the most brazen examples of corruption yet disclosed in a country where the problem has become so pervasive that it is now at the heart of Obama administration doubts over Afghan President Hamid Karzai's reliability as a partner.
Vision for Victory, Part I -- [Washington Times]
The news from Afghanistan all year has been dispiriting, and the last few weeks have been especially tough in terms of the violence. Yet most foreign and Afghan officials and officers who I encountered on a recent weeklong visit sponsored by the U. military are guardedly optimistic about our prospects. How can this be so?
U.S. Turns to Local Guns-for-Hire to Guard Afghan Outpost -- [Danger Room - Noah Shachtman]
The U.S. military is turning to guns-for-hire to guard one of its outposts in Afghanistan. But Blackwaters of the world, take note: simply hiring former G.I.s or American cops or even Nepalese Gurkhas won't do the trick this time. At least half of the 50-man force has to come "from within a 50 kilometer radius" of the base, according to a contract solicitation issued by the U.S. Air Force. Over the summer, the American military signaled its interest in hiring an army of contractors to help handle security at as many as 50 outposts in Afghanistan. It's one of several efforts efforts designed to free up uniformed troops for combat and counterinsurgency work. Now, U.S. forces appear to be taking the first step towards building that country-wide private security force, by soliciting bids for a team that watch over Forward Operating Base Lightening, in Paktya province.
NATO Chief Confident Afghanistan Will Have More Troops -- [Voice of America]
The NATO secretary-general says he is confident the United States and other NATO allies will send more troops to Afghanistan, where insurgent attacks have surged in recent months. He spoke at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly Meeting in Edinburgh, where Britain's foreign secretary outlined the strategy his nation would support.
Germany to extend Afghanistan mission another year -- [AP]
Germany will extend its mission in Afghanistan for another year, the government said Wednesday, despite the growing unpopularity of the war at home
Pakistani Successes May Sway US Troop Decision -- [New York Times]
A month after the Pakistani military began its push into the Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan, militants appear to have been dispersed, not eliminated, with most simply fleeing. That recurring pattern illustrated the problems facing the Obama administration as it enters its final days of a decision on its strategy for Afghanistan. Success in this region, in the remote mountains near the Afghan border, could have a direct bearing on how many more American troops are ultimately sent to Afghanistan, and how long they must stay. Pakistan has shown increased willingness to tackle the problem, launching sweeping operations in the north and west of the country this year, but
Where are Taliban and al Qaeda commanders, US media asks Pak -- [Daily News & Analysis]
Washington: A day after senior Pakistani army commanders claimed that their forces have captured all major towns and population centres of the extremist-ridden South Waziristan, Taliban and foreign militants appear to have disappeared and not been eliminated.
Pakistani Army Shows Off Captured Taliban Posts -- [Washington Post]
A toy car booby-trapped with explosives, chemistry textbooks and handwritten case files from a Taliban court were among the debris left behind by fleeing Islamist militants in this remote village in the conflicted tribal region of South Waziristan. The now-deserted village, which was retaken by Pakistani army forces two weeks ago and visited by Western journalists on Tuesday for the first time since, had been a stronghold of Taliban forces for nearly five years.
IRAQ
Iraqi Kurds Warn of Election Boycott in Dispute Over Seats - [Washington Post]
Kurdish officials threatened Tuesday to boycott the upcoming national election in the three provinces they control in northern Iraq unless more parliament seats are allocated to the region. The threat came two days after Iraq's Sunni vice president said he would veto the election law passed last week unless more seats are set aside for representatives of Iraqi refugees. The majority of Iraqis abroad are Sunni. Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi has until Wednesday to veto the law, which legislators approved after weeks of wrangling, primarily over how the vote would be held in the disputed northern city of Kirkuk. The two ultimatums underscored the deep divisions among Iraqi politicians and raised fresh concerns about Iraq's ability to hold a credible election by Jan. 18.
Iraq's national elections in jeopardy as Sunni VP issues veto -- [McClatchy News]
BAGHDAD -- Iraq's pivotal national elections were thrown back into turmoil and potential delay Wednesday after Vice President Tariq al Hashemi vetoed part of an election law and sent it back to parliament.
US has time to reconsider Iraq drawdown plan-Odierno -- [Reuters]
The US military does not have to decide until April or May whether to push back the end of its combat operations in Iraq due to...
A few words from medics for the 41st Brigade -- [The Oregonian]
I spent an hour or two last month with Oregon National Guard medics who are based at Al Asad Airbase, discussing a little of what they've observed since coming to Iraq this summer. The discussion, as you might think, covered issues in two categories: The physical and the mental. The Physical - CPT Scott Johnson of Newport, who is the highest-ranking soldier in the medical support unit at Al Asad, said that medics are seeing a significant share of orthopedic issues that stem from the heavy loads that soldiers carry. Even though the war has wound down considerably over the last few years, soldiers on convoys and at checkpoints still wear a lot of body armor and carry a lot of ammunition and weaponry, as much as 65 pounds or even more. Over time, even young soldiers experience increased stress on their joints from walking, running and jumping with that much gear.
Goodbye to Iraq, and thanks -- [The Oregonian]
The soldiers of Oregon's 41st Brigade are about halfway through their Iraq deployment, but I'm finally home after a gruelling passage through Kuwait and a misadventure or two. I said goodbye to my last acquaintance in the Oregon National Guard on Monday afternoon in Salt Lake City. SSG Tom McNeil of Central Point was peeling off to fly to Medford, close to his home in Central Point, while I continued on to Portland. Have a terrific Thanksgiving at home, Tom. Thanks to all the folks along the way, especially the soldiers of Oregon's 41st Brigade Combat Team, for the many kindnesses extended to me during my sojourn among them. This toast to you, and I'm starting with you two, since you challenged me to do this, Scott and Mike
U.S. AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD
US, China in Strained Diplomatic Embrace -- [Wall Street Journal]
President Barack Obama was set to leave China on Wednesday after an awkward summit with some achievements but a long list of unfinished business - a result that suggests challenges ahead for the US as it struggles to come to terms with Asia's increasingly assertive superpower. The president secured a far-ranging framework for cooperation Tuesday with Beijing. But that deal was announced as frictions between the two nations appeared to increase over human rights and economic policy. President Obama and Chinese leader Hu Jintao issued their ambitious statement on cooperation in a clumsy fashion - at a media "availability" where they took no questions, didn't address each other and exhibited body language that seemed to say they had been frustrated by the entire exercise.
Obama: 'We've restored America's standing' -- [CNN]
A little more than a year after his election, President Obama said his administration has laid the groundwork for success on global and domestic matters. -- "I think that we've restored America's standing in the world
Somali Pirates : Maersk Alabama Attacked, Fights Back -- [Eagle Speak]
On the early morning of 18 November 2009, 350 nautical miles east from the Somali coast, pirates attacked MV Maersk Alabama, a US flagged, Danish owned, 155 meter long, Container ship.
Iranian COS Warns Russia: Your Security Is Tied To Ours -- [Memri Blog]
Iranian Army chief of staff Hassan Firouzabadi has warned Russia that delay in the supply of S-300 missile systems could harm Russia because its security is tied to that of Iran.
WAR ON TERROR /TERRORISM
Suspected Fort Hood Shooter Believed to Be Self-Radicalized -- [Wall Street Journal]
Some lawmakers briefed Tuesday on the Fort Hood shooting said the suspect, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was most likely a self-radicalized extremist. The briefing for select members of Congress came as Republicans with oversight of national-security issues called on Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to open a full congressional inquiry into alleged government miscues in the case of Maj. Hasan. He is charged with murdering 13 people Nov. 5 on the sprawling US Army base where he served as a psychiatrist.
Guantánamo Won't Close by January, Obama Says -- [NY Times]
President Obama acknowledged for the first time on Wednesday that his administration would miss a self-imposed deadline to close the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, by mid-January, admitting the difficulties of following through on one of his first pledges as president.
SUPPORTING THE TROOPS...OR NOT
No Man Left Behind -- [Knottie's Niche]
We've all heard the military quote "No Man left behind" But it wasn't until last weekend as I sat listening to a veteran Marine talking to an Army Sgt about how the Army helicopter pilot who saved him and many others in Vietnam by flying in a hot zone repeatedly to save men that it hit home. The words took on a whole new meaning to me. When Micheal was killed the Army did not leave us behind. It started with a visit to tell us the news and they did not leave until there was no more they could do for us in that moment. Then there was the email to let us know no one else had been hurt from one of the medics. The Army did not leave us behind when they assigned us a causality assistance officer who walked us through each step, even offering to go to the store for us at any hour of the day if we needed anything at all. Then the emails, calls and instant message conversations from the men who served with Micheal began.
LTC Tim Karcher Update -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany]
Wonderful update on LTC Tim Karcher, Commander of the 1st Cavalry Division's 2nd Battalion, 5th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, wounded June 28 in Sadr City.
4 weeks later, after fighting for his life in Iraq, here in Germany, and at Walter Reed, the loss of both legs was the least of his problems:
Support SA while Christmas shopping this year! -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany]
Through Soldiers' Angels, patriotic Americans can do their Holiday shopping or planning and support the troops at the same time!
The easiest way to do this is shop online at all your favorite stores. If you stop by GoodShop and Shop to Earn before you start, you can visit all your favorite online stores, purchase anything you want at the usual great prices, and a portion of what you spend will be donated to Soldiers' Angels--at no extra cost to you! On GoodShop, be sure you select Soldiers' Angels as the charity you are "GoodShopping for."
Trees for Troops: Helping Military Families -- [AdAge.com]
Military families. Transportation. Tree growers. Logistics. These seemingly incongruous words provide a case study in cause marketing.
FOX 5 Special: I-Team VA Loans -- [FOX News]
A FOX 5 I-Team investigation uncovered allegations of a nationwide scheme by banks and mortgage companies to defraud U.S. military veterans. The scheme, spelled out in court documents, claims banks are overcharging veterans on home refinancing loans.
The question raised in a racketeering and class action law suit is how many of those loans involved banks defrauding U.S. military veterans.
MILITARY
Muslim discrimination in the U.S. military. Not. -- [Castra Praetoria]
I'm done listening to any more bellyaching about how Muslims have it bad in the American military. It's a lie.
At this very moment there are American Muslims serving in our armed forces with valor. Muslim interpreters work along side us daily who aren't even American citizens and they have proven themselves as well. All these pansies wailing and moaning about discrimination against them because they are Muslims are not doing anyone any favors. Take it from a guy who has served along side Muslim Marines and Sailors in combat; worked with Jordanian and Iraqi interpreters in country; trained with Iraqi-Americans who have contributed to the effort by working as role players and training our troops in culture and language classes.
Time to revisit firearms policies on military posts -- [Atlanta Journal Constitution]
Just as legitimate questions were raised following the mass killings on the Virginia Tech campus in 2007, both military personnel and civilian citizens
Army's Record Suicide Rate 'Horrible,' General Says -- [Washington Post]
Army Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli on Tuesday called the Army's record suicide rate this year "horrible" and said the problem of soldiers taking their own lives is the toughest he has faced in his 37 years in service. As of Nov. 16, 140 soldiers on active duty and 71 soldiers not on active duty were suspected to have committed suicide. "We are almost certainly going to end the year higher than last year,"
WELCOME HOME
Veterans' descendants welcome troops home to Fort Campbell -- [Clarksville Leaf Chronicle]
Their day concluded with the Welcome Home ceremony for 80 soldiers who returned from a year in Afghanistan. "We are descendants of our country's first
'Greywolf' Among First CAV Troops to Return Home -- [DVIDS]
Once the buses arrived at Cooper Field, chants of "move that bus" were heard from Families waiting to welcome home their Soldiers. Tommy Tatum, from Kempner
THE MEDIA
Where are Taliban and al Qaeda commanders, US media asks Pak -- [Daily News & Analysis]
Washington: A day after senior Pakistani army commanders claimed that their forces have captured all major towns and population centres of the extremist-ridden South Waziristan, Taliban and foreign militants appear to have disappeared and not been eliminated.
Army officials said that they have killed as many as 550 Taliban militants a month after the military began its campaign into the lawless territory, yet they acknowledge that hundreds, perhaps thousands more have melted away.
As the offensive into the area, considered to be a sanctuary of al Qaeda and Taliban militants gained momentum, Boston Globe said, "Vast numbers of Taliban and foreign terrorists had disappeared into the vast desert scrub and craggy hills surrounding their strongholds of Sararogha and Ladha".
"Where are they? That's what bothers me," New York Times quoted a senior American intelligence officer as saying.
POLITICS
Republicans Criticize Obama's Call to Delay Hill Inquiries on Fort Hood -- [Washington Post]
The Obama administration's request that congressional committees slow their investigations of the Fort Hood shootings sparked denunciations Tuesday from Republicans on Capitol Hill, who pushed for an immediate inquiry of any warning signs before the massacre. House and Senate Republicans, emerging from the most detailed briefings given to Congress since the Nov. 5 attack killed 13 at the central Texas Army post, said delaying investigations would put off legislative efforts to give military officials the tools to prevent similar tragedies in the future. They said such an effort would not interfere with the criminal investigation of shooting suspect Nidal M. Hasan, an Army major who was scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan.
Obama Approval Dips Below 50% For First Time -- [Quinnipiac University]
Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Support For U.S. Troops In Afghanistan Drops Below 50% -- President Barack Obama's job approval rating is 48 - 42 percent, the first time he has slipped below the 50 percent threshold nationally ...
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Oh my, did wee willy get banned again? His parents really should keep a closer watch on him.
It doesn't matter whether the uniforms are correct. Were the American soldiers who were torturing Iraqis at Abu Ghraib in correct uniform? Does it make you feel better or worse, SSG_K?
I can't believe that that was the best retort you could come up with--fingering a few soldiers (who are now in prison themselves, by the way) out of the roughly 750,000 that have served since then...
Wilson, dearest... it DOES matter what the uniform is... You see, you can only fool some of the people... but you and moveon don't fool any of us. You don't fool us and you certainly don't SPEAK for us. You have been caught with your pants, er... off. (I just couldn't resist Greyhawk!)
All this proves is that the TRUE CARING about "our troops" that Move On wants to tell us controls their desires for an end to the "War on Terror" (which is what leaving Iraq would be) - is nothing but "political circle talk." Too lazy to find a REAL American picture and quick to lie! IF they cared - there would be real Americans in their pictures AND a tribute to the British troops! I like the comment about how the missing hat would never exist in Uncle Sam's Army - TRUE to the extreme!
I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures or interviews that appear to be outdoors where our soldiers are without head cover, but I would expect that would be a sort of "this spot is actually part of that area so you don't need hats", cover on flight lines is a no-no, or perhaps I'm simply mistaken.
It could be that I'm so used to hats I don't see them... sort of like watching Kung Fu Hustle and swearing afterward that it wasn't sub-titled. ;-)
I am normally not a big fan of any news org or whatever that has a biased viewpoint, but you gitta give kudos to FOX--up there on the big screen in the CAOC I just watched them highlight the moveon coverup, even putting the pictures side by side.
I hope this tanks them, because it a doozie to their credibility.
Chris, all they did is bust a few lower-level people. They left the real criminals -- Rumsfeld, Cheney and their cronies -- unscathed. They are war criminals under the precedents set at the Nuremberg Trials of 1946. Oops, but I forgot: You'd have taken the Nazis side, like any good Bushbot.
That's the best you can do, Wilson, is this lame Nazi shit? Why do you love throwing that word around from behind the keyboard? Why don't you try calling somebdy a Nazi to his face?
I'd be happy to call you a Nazi to your face, Steve. Where would you like to meet?
Wilson,
So it is alright for moveon.org to blatantly mislead the public?
Well, let's put it this way. The Jawhol! crowd is forever prattling on about how all veterans love the Fuhrer. Okay, so guess what? The people who will care about military uniform details wouldn't be reached by Move.org ads no matter how accurate the details are. Those who don't notice the inaccurancy of the uniforms aren't going to care, because the point will have been made.
Okay Wilson. Get out to WestPac and look me up. In the meantime, keep lurking, lying, and slandering.
Hey Steve I haven't lied about anything. And if you look up the definition of slander, you'd see that it doesn't apply. So, you want to send me an airplane ticket to meet you? First class, natch.
Wilson? You still here? I go away for a few days and figured you'd have moved on to more fertile grounds by now.
And now you are wanting to hook up with folks too? he-he! That's just about a joke! You remind me so much of one of those little kids that used to run off about 50 yards and then flip the bird. Keyboard warrior!
I think you've lost your grip little boy. Now run along, quit trying to play grown up, and do your homework.
Let's see... what were you saying before I left? Oh yeah, you seem to think you have some sort of atypical smear with me 'cause I wasn't military? Well, you are correct. Over 20 years from AB to Skipper in the USMM doesn't qualify me for squat but I'm still proud of it just the same. And just what are your qualifications again? Playing with your buttbuddies in the closet of a frat house qualifies you how to make judgements on me exactly? Or anyone else? Yep! you are definitely a legend in your own mind and have about one of the most serious cases of pe**s envy I've ever run across! heh!
Time to enlist there Wilson. See if you've really got what it takes instead of trying to build up your own deficiencies on the backs of others. Do you have the intestinal fortitude there Wilson? Can you show yourself and the world what you think you're made of? Shoot man, they're just little mind numbed robots, it should be a walk in the park for a man of such physical prowess and stellar intellect such as yourself! Let us know how that works out!
Or does it scare you too much to contemplate? Still wetting the bed too? Oh you're just so much fun! What a man! LMAO! :-o
Sorry, Dad, but I'm too old to enlist. As for the spankings you crave, somehow I suspect you'd want your spank-ees to be younger guys than me. But hey, who knows? As for your "military" background, anyone can write anything they want to on the Internet, but I think you gave yourself away when you pissed on the grave of the fallen because he's not a wingnut like you.
I don't know who or what you are, but a marine? No, I don't think so.
Wilson shows lack of reading comprehension by spewing at "Jarhead Dad":
I don't know who or what you are, but a marine? No, I don't think so.
Odd, I thought his handle indicated that he was the father of a Marine. Though USMM stands for "United States Merchant Marine"(?) that isn't quite the same as the United States Marine Corps. HTH. HAND.
Oh, and slander:
Main Entry: 2slander
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sclaundre, slaundre, from Old French esclandre, from Late Latin scandalum stumbling block, offense -- more at SCANDAL
1 : the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
2 : a false and defamatory oral statement about a person -- compare LIBEL
That pretty much fits what you do to those icky enough to disagree with your viewpoints. You call them Nazis, say they're sexual deviants, and more. Unless you're being cute and trying to pass off slander as spoken defamation, in which case then libel would fit. They're two words for the same thing, just different mediums of transmission.
(Gosh, I wonder what rant Wilson's going to release to "justify" his slander and libel techniques.)
Oh wait, I just thought of one:
In order to damage someone's reputation, the one engaging in slander has to be credible or believable. Gosh, Wilson's SAFE from slander charges then. All he can do is hope his words cause a little pain and annoyance. No wonder he's so cranky: he's utterly powerless beyond that.
Wow, you people are even dumber than the average rightwingnut which is saying a lot. First off, Jarhead refers to the U.S. Marine Corps not the merchant marine. A Jarhead Dad could be the father of a marine, but it's more logical that it would be a marine who is a father. It's a grammar thing and you wouldn't understand.
Now, as for slander, look at the definition. It doesn't apply here. Reading: It's what's for dinner.
So by claiming people who don't agree with you are Nazis, torturers, sexual deviants and otherwise bad people you are somehow NOT trying to defame and damage those people's reputations?
The history of JarheadDad? heh! Well let's see. First off, if you go to our webiste you'll see it is run by "A Jarhead's Dad" but when trying to post on various sites (as a registered user btw) AJarheadsDad was taken. So was JarheadsDad. So it ended up being JarheadDad. I believe everyone under the sun knows me and who my son is. Guess you missed the memo huh Wilson? Why do I not find that surprising? ;-)
Anyone CAN write anything on the internet Wilson. You are living proof of that. But if you've been around since Hawk first started his site and the other milblogs began then you'd best have it right. Ya think? heh!
Funny, I grew up with Marines. My Uncle is an Okie Marine and four of my cousins served in the Corps. I spent a few cruises running Marine support vessels and my best friends are Marines. Not one of them seems to have a problem with my handle but yet you Wilson, someone that sits on the sidelines, never served a day in your life, and hides behind a keyboard, has a problem with it. Gee, go figure! LOL!
Yes Patrick, you got it right but everyone knows that Merchant Mariners are just pogues on big boats! heh! Just ask Wilson. He's an expert on everything and he'll be able to tell you all about our duties and what the USMM does. And here I thought my handle was quite clear and intentionally so! So that is how the moonbats look at the world huh? No wonder I can't understand Wilson in the least. We don't operate on the same plane of consciousness! HA!
Next thing you know Wilson will be telling me that since Da Grunt hasn't had a shower in four weeks he's not fit to be a Marine either! Isn't that how the logic works? What a twisted view of the world it is from the left side. Be careful Wilson, if you go too far to the left you'll fall of the edge of the world. Don't forget the world is flat!! :-o
At least you got one thing right bedwetter, you don't know who or what I am. And Marine is spelled with a capital M. ROTFLMAO!