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July 24, 2005

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Support the Troops

By Greyhawk

Lt David Lucas, just back from Iraq, writes an oped in the local paper.

"Let's support our troops. Bring them home." Please don't ever say those words again. Nothing is so disheartening to our troops who are in harm's way than to hear our own citizens say things like that.
Unfortunately, I think that's exactly why they say it.

Read it all.


Posted by Greyhawk / July 24, 2005 4:13 PM | Permalink

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Op ed by army officer? I always thought of officers as above the political fray, like judges. I have no objection to the substance of the LT's views, but this procedure looks portentous in a bad way. It smacks of a third world approach - where officers in uniform express and act on their political thoughts. Suppose some other officer wants to express the opposite perspective - is that kosher? If not, has this LT been led astray? Just as we cannot have the Chief of Staff of the Army getting into political and public "dust ups" with senators, we cannot properly encourage active duty LT's to go on about politics in op eds. Even if Bush and certain bloggers like such activity and encourage it, the professional appraoch for a US military officer is to stay above and outside politics. True?

"the professional appraoch for a US military officer is to stay above and outside politics"

A military officer serves the people, not a party. It does not mean that officers should not express their opinions. "Support the troops...bring them home"...is the equivalent of telling them that whatever it is they are doing...it has no value. It is no different than what Tokyo Rose was doing in WWII.


Why does the right seem so intent on defining the "true meaning" of what someone says? When I say, "support the troops, bring them home" is that what I mean? Yes, just that! I am not a traitor, I am not "tokyo rose" I am not trying to just "break the morale" of the soldiers. I am expressing an opinion and somehow I thought that is what we had the right to do in this Country.

If you continue to do this, why are you surprised when some on the right compare your GITMO to Nazi concentration camps? Both positions, the one you have espoused on your site and the Nazi concentration camp analogy are equally ludicrous.

I guess the left should just assume that what you are "really" doing by being in Iraq is setting up for the US to colonize the entire world, put it into slavery and make everyone either American or dead right?

Think of that paragraph above and how crazy it sounds. It is EXACTLY how crazy you sound when you compare those against this war to traitors etc.

Just because Bush went to war does not mean that he then gets a free ride to be stupid until the war is over.

Sorry, that is NOT America.. that is the Soviet Union, the Country you so hated (I presume).

Kevin, let me give you the perspective of a former soldier, perhaps you need that. Yes, you have a right to say "support the troops, bring them home". That is the point of free speech. And when I was a soldier deployed in combat I consoled myself with the thought that I was putting my life on the line so that you would have the right to say something like that. No matter that it was horribly destructive to my morale and to the morale of the other soldiers deployed with me.

If you can't understand that saying such things is destructive for the soldiers (and sailors, airmen and marines) deployed in harm's way then there is nothing I can say that will show you that it is. But I'm going to try. And I'm going to tell you that the military has been firmly convinced, for 35 years now, that the media and the left oppose >us

The left needs to ask itself how bringing the troops home is supporting them? If they mean by keeping them out of harms way then they should just say that.

I'd like to see the left say that to other professionals who have risky jobs: We support our policemen, keep them off the streets! We support our firemen, keep them away from burning buildings!

I think what they mean is that they don't support the war, so they don't want anyone else to either.

Well, first, I served for 10 years so I do know what it is like. Second, yes, bring the soldiers home for their sake and stop the war. So, what is the big deal? Yes, soldiers should know that the support for this war is dwindling dramatically every day.

It is clear that the reason we went there was flawed, the ties from Iraq to Al Qaeda were weak at best (our action has actually strengthened them) and the recent bombings in London show the idea of "We have taken the war to them" to be a bit short sighted as well.

So, yes, the troops should know that. If they start questioning the action all the better. They should ask their senior officers to explain this to them. Enough of that starts happenning and then the senior officers will rely to Rumsfeld that the troops are losing support for the action. Maybe (I say maybe because Rumsfeld's head is so far in the sand he may not see it) that will wake them up.

I did a little slideshow sometime back called “Coming Home.” Near the end I have these words, “Hoping you all will be coming home soon.” And this I truly and from the heart, meant. I use these words in the context of JOB WELL DONE or MISSION COMPLETE, the WARS ARE OVER. I use these words to say:
To you- The men and women of the United States Armed Forces....
Thank you for all you have done in the past… All you do today… and for all the things you will have to do in the future to keep me and my family safe. Thank you for all of the hard work you do, just to keep us free. Thank you for all the sacrifices you and your families have had to make, so you could serve this great country of ours. God bless you and yours, and most of all… I truly do hope you all will be coming home soon………
AubreyJ………………………………………

I am a Public Affairs Officer working with U.S. Central Command and I want to send this message out so that we can remember why we are still in country. Look at the good stories that are being done. Please see attached story...

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Stories/07_05/16.htm

There are many more stories on the web site showing progression with the reconstruction efforts.

Thanks!

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004