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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! July 15, 2005 Don't Hate!By GreyhawkA must read: Why they hate us As opinion polls and surveys tell us, public faith in the news media is low, and falling. Acknowledging the problem and asking why seems like a fine starting point for a serious discussion on the topic. But the above piece actually singles out a specific group, as the author clearly points out: it's about why most Americans, particularly soldiers, hate the media. From my experience, that soldiers "hate" the media is true - though dislike or mistrust might be better words. If you were to poll American troops on the question you'd probably get about an 80% "yes" response to "do you hate the media?" Dislike or mistrust would likely raise the number to the upper 90s. But that's a semantic issue - the point is there's a problem. That a journalist who's also a military veteran sees it and writes about it is indeed a good first step. Steve Lovelady, managing editor of the Columbia Journalism Review Daily, takes the discussion to another level: Amazing. Mark Yost, an [editorial page] editor at Knight Ridder, the ONE news outlet which has consistently exposed the lies at the heart of the Iraq invasion and the grim reality of the current occupation, turns on his colleagues.That's his response in it's entirety - a point to remember as you read on. What is amazing about this is that Lovelady is the managing editor of the friggin' Columbia Journalism Review Daily. You'd think that he would welcome intelligent, reasoned, two-sided discussion about media's coverage of this controverial story. Instead, he acts like the fat kid on the playground egging on the bullies in a fight.But Jarvis also wants a real discussion, and in fact invites one: So how about a debate, sirs? I suggest an email debate. I'll be happy to post your responses on Buzzmachine.That would be a worthy debate, but note that even Jarvis doesn't mention the actual purpose of Yost's piece, which is about "...why most Americans, particularly soldiers, hate the media. That must be accepted truth. So then, are there valid reasons why? Good question - but we'll address it later. Jeff Jarvis' proposal unfortunately brings a negative response from Lovelady, part of which follows: I'll have to decline, on several counts...Let's review that "entire letter" again: Amazing. Mark Yost, an [editorial page] editor at Knight Ridder, the ONE news outlet which has consistently exposed the lies at the heart of the Iraq invasion and the grim reality of the current occupation, turns on his colleagues.That's just the beginning - you can witness the complete melt down here. Come back when you're done. Lovelady again: "My guess is that by Monday Mr. Yost will be too busy standing in line outside the St. Paul unemployment office to engage in leisurely Internet debates. Which, frankly, is as it should be. He's a right-wing shill who belittled and betrayed the hundreds of reporters who go into harm's way every day to tell us what the hell is really going on.I might be mis-reading that, but it seems to me he's calling for Yost to be fired for what he wrote. An interesting position for a "journalist" to take. He also invites us to "Take a fresh look at Romenesko. This poor bastard has become the pinata of the day." Fortunately, - and this is a crucial point - the responses at Romanesko are a bit more fair and balanced then that claim might imply. Though no doubt Lovelady would call them "right-wing shills", give credit to the journalists who offered these insights: From MARTIN STEIN, A&E editor, Las Vegas Weekly: Dipping into Romenesko?s letters, it seems there?s quite a kerfuffle going on about reporting in Iraq. There is one person reporting on the good news going on there, and in Afghanistan and other parts of the world: Arthur Chrenkoff. I don?t know if he?s a reporter per se. Perhaps he?s just some retired gent who has the time to do things like research and read ? that sort of free time being a scarce commodity among many media professionals.These comments, along with Yost's original column, prove that the problem isn't with media as a whole - it's just certain individuals who bring the profession low. Meanwhile, Lovelady, having relied solely on ad hominem attacks in response to Yost, also accuses others of doing the same to him at Romanesko. This prompts the following response: From MIKE HENKINS: Steve Lovelady writes: Lovelady's response is brief, and welcome: STEVE LOVELADY RESPONDS: Mike, I hate to tell you, but 99% of the news coming out of Iraq already comes from someone "asking a soldier." Who else are they going to ask? Insurgents? I don't think so. That's my que. Since I'm a military guy, I know that an attack deserves a response, measured and appropriate in force to that attack: Dear Steve, As for that bias business, welcome to Mudville. Start here. Oh, and be sure and visit my good friends at Soldiers?Angels. Posted by Greyhawk / July 15, 2005 7:09 PM | Permalink 1 TrackBackGreyhawk thinks that might be a question that the news media needs to be asking themselves. Don't Hate!... Read More 11 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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I know this column was about Iraq, but I've found it to be the same with Afghanistan.
I quit trusting the media a long time ago. Since my husbands deployment to Afghanistan and his recent return home..it's moved well beyond the trust issue.
He's furious with the coverage as am I.
Since many in the media refuse to give us the whole story on Afghanistan and Iraq, why would I believe they give us the whole story on anything at all?
I don't want "balance" I want the whole truth.
Tink
You're right about Afghanistan. But since the media can't oppose the fact that we're there without ending forever all doubt of bias, the story line there is that we don't have enough troops because they were moved to Iraq.
So we hear from the media (if they report Afghanistan at all) grudging acceptance that the Afghan "insurgents" are ex-Taliban thugs, while the Iraqi "insurgents" are noble heroes defending their homes. They are in reality all the same. If we weren't in Iraq we'd be confronted with the same total numbers of "insurgents" in Afghanistan alone as we now face in both countries - the jihaddis would have migrated there instead.
Maybe we'd even be up against more, since Saddam would also be funding, equiping, and otherwise aiding their cause.
I've got friends (probably ex-friends now) who work in the media (several newspapers and 2 TV stations) and I can remember thinking (about 20 years ago) that I should have gone to work in that area, but no more. Since Iraq, and the Internet, and how the news media represents the military, and now with our ability to easily communicate with family, friends, and even making new friends through organizations like anysoldier.com, well, it's become crystal clear that there's no such thing as media integrity any more.
Mark Yost speaks the truth - looks like his associates and colleagues still aren't ready to hear it.
Anyway, in answer to your questions:
1) Media coverage balanced?. If the intent is for 0 degree of bias, NO WAY! Coverage is almost non-reality based.
2) News Media Agenda at play here? Well, obviously. I'm not sure it's even anti-Bush as much as it's got to be pro-contraversy. That old saying of "If it bleeds, it leads" really does apply.
3) "Balanced" news. Well, that approach only works is you take an unbiased viewpoint from the start, and based upon the intellectual talent level that currently seems to exist in the news media, an unbiased viewpoint is an undesirable commodity.
Just as a point, 5 years ago I subscribed to 4 daily newspapers - today, NONE. I've got the Internet. Watched TV news nightly - these days, maybe 1-2 days a week, until I get sick of the pap & turn it off. And I know I'm not that unusual.
Lastly, if Steve Lovelady's approach is typical, I think his journalism students ought to be learning to work at fast food joints so they'll have a career to look forward to.
Greyhawk -
Thanks for bringing this incredible "debate" to light. By training, I should be torn between allegiances - I'm a journalist by education, and soldier by profession (happily, working in the Army's equivalent of journalism - public affairs).
But it's been clear for a long time that to side with mainstream, "established" journalism is to take a side on the actual issue of the war - that it's wrong, immoral, and inconscionable. Take your pick. "War in Iraq = Bad" is basically the formula.
Lovelady's defense of war coverage - "If you want to cover it, you get your information from soldiers and their commanders. Period" is indefensible. When was the last time you saw an article on the war that included interviews with soldiers on the ground? When have you ever heard the perceptions of the "grunts" or company commanders who are actually involved in anti-insurgent operations or in infrastructure rebuilding or security?
I always thought, in putting together training stories for The Indianhead in Korea, that a few quotes from tank drivers or infantry squad members, interspersed with battalion or brigade leadership's vision for the training, added a lot of grounding and perspective to a story. But I haven't seen any ground-level quotes for a long time, at least not in the AP or NYT.
But I suppose it might be a little frightening, actually going beyond the confines of a hotel room or briefing tent to get something more than casualty numbers from the latest car bomb.
I can't help but think that journalism - at least its established version - is in its last hours, and the debate Mr. Lovelady has hosted sounds to me like a death-rattle.
Thank God for blogs.
Greyhawk,
Please cite or quote some MSM stories that portray Iraqi insurgents as "noble heroes."
And what is the basis of your assertion that "[i]f we weren't in Iraq we'd be confronted with the same total numbers of "insurgents" in Afghanistan alone as we now face in both countries."
An AP wire story entitled "Friends: Iraq war spurred bombers" and carried on Fox News today suggests otherwise.
Here, as they say, is the nut graf:
"The U.S.-led war was what likely drove him to blow himself on a subway train last week, said his friends."
Is Fox News biased, or is it just typically MSM?
RSVP
If you need evidence of bias all you have to do is look at what is and isnt news worthy. I've lost count of the number of times i've seen that one of the Iraqi's greatest problems is a lack of electricity. Almost always with the implication that it's somehow our troops fault. They make little or no mention of the insurgents repeted attacks on these basic services and how they are the ones at fault for this.
Noble heroes vice Taliban thugs - illustrating a difference in tone of reporting. No, you won't hear or read either term in a news report.
Fox News: I don't watch it. I live in Europe. I do listen to NPR via AFN and must say they've been doing an awesome job of balanced reporting from Iraq lately. I mean that.
Blame: I blame the terrorists in London for the bombings there. I blame the terrorists in Baghdad for killing dozens of children this week.
MSM: Read the above story carefully - I don't blame the institution for what certain members do. To paint with that broad brush would be to hold Yost accountable for what Lovelady writes.
Numbers of insurgents Iraq/Afghanistan is something for discussion. I started another post on it.
Greyhawk,
Thanks for the reply. I wish I knew how to use html tags, so I could link you to this story responding to Yost's accusations:
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/12133233.htm
Following up on that critique, my concern with Yost is that he was in a position to change things from the inside, but nowhere does he say that he tried to do so. Instead, he shakes off his own responsibilites and complains about the press as if he was not a member of it.
In that regard, how is he any different than soldiers who witness abuse and, rather than notify the chain of command, blab about it to the press after the fact?
When I was in Iraq for OIF1 there was an LA Times reporter imbedded with our brigade. As the occupation of Iraq went on the big story was troop morale and the LA Times reporter kept going around baiting soldiers for quotes.
He would ask a soldier, "Hey wouldn't be nice to be home right now?", and many soldiers understood the importance of what they were doing. But he would keep trying until he would find a soldier that would repond with something like "Yeah I would rather be home then here", or this "place sucks I want to go home." Then that would be what got reported, that troop morale is low when he wouldn't even report what the other soldiers told him about how proud they were of what they were doing.
I spent 20 years as a newspaper reporter and editor, long time ago. Even then, the journalism schools were turning out graduates incapable of thought. Any so-called "journalist" who believes, for example, that Dan Rather was a "reporter" is someone who cannot understand reality. Rather was a betrayal of journalism; so too are hundreds of reporters and editors today, in both the print media and in broadcast.
If you want to learn what an airhead a TV "reporter" or anchor is, work for a good daily newspaper for a while; you'll run into them and see them perform for the cameras and you'll understand why you should regard TV news with suspicion.
In the 25+ years since I left journalism, the American press has deteriorated into nothing more than a flack for the Democratic Party. If you doubt that, whenever you read a newspaper article or watch a TV news snippet, or Tim Russert, Chris Matthews, etc., just ask yourself this question: 'How would this be portrayed if the President were Bill Clinton, Al Gore, or John Kerry instead of George W. Bush?"
Many in the business have gone beyond propagandizing for the left into outright lying.
John,
I am not sure I follow you. The press seemed pretty happy to give Clinton's peccadilloes wall-to-wall coverage. I'm not sure how that equals shilling for the Democratic Party.
For what it's worth I have worked for a (reasonably) good left-wing daily and a very entertaining right-wing tabloid, and I certainly agree that TV types tend to be dumb as stumps, but that has nothing to do with politics.
I suspect the right-wing TV reporters are just as stupid as their left-wing counterparts. And, if anything, there has been an upsurge in bad right-wing journalism, everything from talk radio, to Fox News, to the Moonie-run Washington Times.
It seems to me that left and right-wing media suffer from the same problems, namely: "if bleeds it leads" and "you don't have to be right, you just have to be interesting."
Cable news channels run 24 hours a day, and how many stories do they run in that time? A dozen? 20? And each 2-minute segment is more devoid of content than the last.
I agree that news has become increasingly facile, exploitative and prurient, but that has more to do with competitive commercial pressures than politics.
As for bias, well, I think we should chuck out the the third-person authorial voice and the inverted pyramid and start every newspaper story with the word "I" just to let everyone know that this is how one person sees it, not necessarily how it really is. (And then make sure your editors don't get their grubby paws on it.)