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 Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! June 14, 2005 Fred PhelpsBy GreyhawkMeet Carrie French: Carrie French, 19, will be buried Wednesday with full military honors; the funeral is expected to draw a large gathering of friends, family members and media, her father said.Also attending will be Fred Phelps, of "God Hates Fags" notoriety. This event has nothing to do with Cpl French, Phelps justs wants to make it clear that God killed her with an IED as a way to punish America for a bombing of his church six years ago. The Kansas preacher who tried to erect an anti-gay monument in a Boise city park says he's coming to Idaho this week to picket the funeral of a fallen soldier.He'll be at any funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq that he can, and there's nothing anyone can do about it Phelps says there is no reason he is targeting French specifically. He says his church will protest any public funeral of soldiers killed in Iraq.If you're in the neighborhood, maybe you can stop by. Update: More, including reports and photos from the funeral, here. More at: Assumption of Command (from Iraq) Posted by Greyhawk / June 14, 2005 7:20 PM | Permalink 10 TrackBacksGreyhawk at Mudville Gazette sends along this blood-boiling story. If you live in Idaho, please consider showing up to counter the hate and support Spc. Carrie French, whose death is being exploited by so-called Christians.... Read More Well isn't this just splendid. Read More I know mine is not a very Christian attitude, but this cretinous buffoon is using the death of a soldier in the service of her country to forward his own political agenda, and her family and friends and the police can do nothing to stop him. Read More I try to keep the tone of this blog down to a reasonable decibel, but in this instance, I won't mince words. From this article: "The Kansas preacher who tried to erect an anti-gay monument in a Boise city park says he's coming to Idaho this week t... Read More Fred Phelps, cult 'preacher', plans to picket the funeral of a soldier from Idaho who was killed by an IED in Kirkut. The 'Reverend' Phelps claims the death of Corporal Carrie French is God's revenge for the bombing of the... Read More This is what hurts conservative Christians -- I grantee this will be a rally cry for many liberals and I will be lumped in with this ______, I don't like that one bit! Read More Today's dose of NIF - News, Interesting & Funny ... payday! Read More But I can't let this go...Can't somebody get this sicko declared mentally unstable and put him away?? Read More Oliver Willis and PZ Myers are doing high-fives because one Conservative blogger, USS Neverdock, mis-identified Fred Phelps' and his band of idiots protesting at the funeral of Iraqi war casualty Carrie French. Says Oliver: "One would be expecting way ... Read More I recently read on Michelle Malkin's blog that scumbag Fred Phelps has added military funerals to his list of vitriolic protests by his cultic followers (I guess he wasn't getting enough publicity with his group's protesting of gays and funerals of... Read More 36 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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I've sent E-mails to all the veterans I know in Idaho; if the family decides they want us there, we will be...
and there's nothing anyone can do about it
Well, nothing legal I suppose. But I suspect someday he will pick the wrong funeral and something most certainly will be done about it.
Public nuisance? Disturbing the peace?
Vagrancy?
Maybe trying to break somebody's knuckles with his face?
That's a bunch of nonsense that "nothing can be done about it". Fred Phelps is obviously beyond insane. Have him dragged off to a psychiatric facility as a danger to himself and to others as soon as he becomes the least bit disruptive.
Maybe he should stay home and keep tabs on his church.
Unless the entire ceremony and internment takes place on public property, he certainly can get pulled for tresspassing.
If I were chief Sobba, I'd have an officer with him, waiting for the moment his foot touched private property, the second he dropped a paper (littering) or the instant his speech turns to slander or inciting violence.
Look, a cop can do something about it if he or she wants. The moment this moron "disturbs the peace" of the funeral, which I would logically assume is a much lower standard than disturbing the peace of other less-somber activities, the cops can arrest him.
And if they don't then shame on him.
Phelps is a cretin and a walking vulgarity. He's just in this for the notoriety. He's a walking, talking version of the creepy trolls who post to Internet discussion boards. The key to getting rid of him is to ignore the stinking weasel.
In Britain they can ban hooligans from attending soccer matches for past behavior. Why can't someone in our country slap a restraining order on this idiot that keeps him at least a mile away from this poor family's time of grief?
Maybe he'll get a flat on the way there or have car trouble. I'm not advocating anyone do anything, but it's something to pray for isn't it?
Actually I had a second thought...Since Phelps has a track record, and since he's declared his intentions, couldn't they arrest him for conspiracy to disrupt the peace? At least long enough for the funeral to take place.
The only other alternative is to declare the funeral private and monitor the participants for this troublemaker.
He can be refused admittance to this private ceremony, and charged with any number of offenses if he refuses to listen. This is precisely like claiming that he can attend the wedding, or any other private event, of any stranger he wishes. It's bogus.
It occurs to me that it is also precisely the same as claiming that I, or anyone else, has a right to just show up in his living room at some odd hour of the morning, demanding he get down on his knees and offer up gay sex on command.
Maybe someone will take up that last challenge.
We here in Kansas appreciate your feelings. Phelps' people picketed the funderal of a judge not a hundred yards from me last week in front of a Baptist church (across the street from the Episcopal church where the funeral was held). He's been doing this stuff for years and we have learned to ignore him. Counterprotesting just gives him free publicity. His people thrive on it.
My understanding is that his cult-like church is mostly made up of his married and intermarried family members.
Sadly the MSM likes to use his efforts to show that christians are homophobic. Phelps' church is so far out of the mainstream of any kind of real christainity they really are more a personality cult than a real church from what we know of them here.
Just a word from someone who has had to face this several times before.
We here in Kansas appreciate your feelings. Phelps' people picketed the funderal of a judge not a hundred yards from me last week in front of a Baptist church (across the street from the Episcopal church where the funeral was held). He's been doing this stuff for years and we have learned to ignore him. Counterprotesting just gives him free publicity. His people thrive on it.
My understanding is that his cult-like church is mostly made up of his married and intermarried family members.
Sadly the MSM likes to use his efforts to show that christians are homophobic. Phelps' church is so far out of the mainstream of any kind of real christainity they really are more a personality cult than a real church from what we know of them here.
Just a word from someone who has had to face this several times before.
Parts of Idaho are just barely in the United States. Some years back, you may remember, a wanted Soviet spy went to ground at a ranch in Idaho where any fugitive can buy informal asylum. One night he was visiting a bar in the local town when there was a network news story about him, a story which included his photograph. The customers burst into applause and cheers. This kind of evil still goes unpunished.
If your blood isn't boiling enough already by the walking excrement that is Fred Phelps, take a look at the photo accompanying the news article that The Stupid Shall Be Punished linked to (http://www.klewtv.com/x5781.xml?ParentPageID=x5649&ContentID=x66219&Layout=KLEW.xsl&AdgroupIx5781). Now, take a look at the poster at the far right. Its a bit cropped, but it clearly says "Thank God For September 11".
Scum. Unforgiveable scum.
You all know how I feel about torture, humiliation and cultural degradation, but if any of these things should happen to befall Mr. Phelps I wouldn't advocate taking an extreme amount of time searching for the perpetrators.
Shameful. That's the only word I can think of that applies here. You all believe in the first amendment, until it's going to apply to someone whose views you don't like.
Yeah, let's arrest him on trumped-up charges, but we can still bitch when the Secret Service does that to people who try to attend the president's appearances. Let's kick the hell out of him, so we can be like the people who murdered Mathew Shepard, and thereby show our moral superiority. Let's torture him, because torture is wrong, unless we're behind it, and then it's a necessity.
Other than Ace and a couple others who are near sensible, you lot are sickening.
You may think your motives for censorship are benign, but you're still proposing to pave the road to totalinarianism. The only legitimate response to evil speech is better speech.
If you might indulge me a Righteous Rant. I apologize in advance for the length of the comment.
My blood pressure and mind and emotions have been much happier places since I simply FORGOT the name of, and about Fred Phelps for a while. Now that button has been pushed. As a Christian, in making my comments, I feel a bit like the poor schlep who comes up behind the parade to clean up all the poop dropped on the "parade route"...the mess I feel a sense of duty (not dooty! heh!) to clean up however is the indiscriminate defacation of one major CLOWN who *looks* as much like Jesus as Michael Moore looks like Condi Rice!!
[the following is copied over from another blog where I ranted (aka: was hoping to clean up clown poop!(~;)]:
You wannna see my claws and fangs extended quickly?
Then just name the name of the ne plus ultra in UNChrist-like, pharisitical, bible thumpin' bigotry: Fred Phelps.
I can't begin to explain the sense of pure evil (oxymoron?) that exudes from his hellishly hateful website.
That church chump WILL be held accountable for the "sheep" he's mislead and abused, quite frankly. He has YET to connect with the clue bat as to what the answer is to: "WWJD?"
It's likely he's been wearing & reading his WWJD bracelet upside down all these years....not to mention, from his lofty judgment seat, reading his bible upside down!!
Talk about thee APEX example of which to point to in show and tell as to" "That's NOT Jesus!"
What a tool of the anti-Christian leftists, too....little does the white washed tombstone full of dead mens bones KNOW that he's a pawn of hell itself!!!.
And you heard THAT rant from a *bible thumpin' Jesus Freak*
OK..I'll take a few deep breaths now!
Mr. Phelps, try these on for size...(RIGHT SIDE UP):
Psalm 73:6
Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.
Proverbs 11:2
When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Proverbs 29:23
A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.
Nuff said???
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Greyhawk,
You & Mrs. G & fam. have...and have had for some time...my daily prayers [which HARDLY originate from anywhere near the same planet as the *cough* "prayers" of Fred Phelps~! (~;]
GOD [continue to] BLESS OUR TROOPS! (and open the BLIND *eyes* of Fred Phelps)
johnny:
All government takes place on a slippery slope. Your arguments, such as they are, leave me entirely unmoved. If the thinnest of legal pretexts can be found to put this guy away before he disrupts the funeral, I have no problem with that.
Thank you for your response, JPS.
Suppose he doesn't disrupt the funeral at all, should he be arrested anyway? That seemed to be what most were hoping for, and what I objected to. If he stands across the street with his "God hates fags" and "Carrie French died because we tolerate fags" signs, should he be arrested?
If he forces his way onto private property where he is nto wanted, I think he should be arrested. If he behaves legally but as horribly as is his wont, then there's no justification to arresting him.
I think your statement probably answers though, "If the thinnest of legal pretexts can be found".
johnny,
I'm just a good ole country boy, and sadly I have to agre with you. He should NOT be arrested. However, I also think that the Sherrif and other police should not attend the funeral or do so with blinders on. THat way this poor girls daddy and her brothers in arms can take that sniveling b@#$@!d and arrange for him to meet his maker.
"Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord" but sometimes it is up to men to arrange the meetin
But then, justice ain't always the same as legal.
Well, johnny, I guess my position is the one you mocked earlier: "we can still bitch when the Secret Service does that to people who try to attend the president's appearances." To the extent that the law is flexible, I hope he can be kept away entirely. And when someone stretches the law to cover protesters who aren't being wantonly cruel to grieving funeral-goers, then I'll most likely support the protesters even if I disagree with them. I suppose I should be ashamed of my inconsistency, but it's a very mild shame felt as a purely intellectual exercise.
Yes, once you make any exceptions to freedom of speech you've established a dangerous precedent. But the law does sometimes recognize exceptions. One class of them: Fighting words. You have no right to engage in conduct that's likely to incite a riot. Organizing people to go to a funeral and yell, We're glad she's dead! arguably falls under fighting words. It's a gray area, and if I were involved, I'd be firmly on the side of giving the family and friends, rather than Phelps, the benefit of the doubt.
One more thing: I do not condone assault. If this guy gets the crap beaten out of him, that would be wrong. I am not being snide. My disapproval would, again, be more intellectual than visceral, but it would be genuine. However, I don't agree that that would be remotely comparable to the beating death of Matthew Shepard.
I'm sorry. Assaulting someone who's picking a fight and trying to be cruel, and assaulting someone for being different (and alone, and physically tiny, therefore a safe target), are both wrong, but they are not equally evil, not by a long shot.
Johnny -
Unfortunately you are correct. But...as I have said thousands of times before...there is legal and Constitutional...and there is RIGHT. One of these days some soldier or father of a soldier is going to do something very VERY wrong and launch into this guy. There will be misplaced teeth and a face rearranging. Soldier or Father thereof will go to jail as he should...but the video of the event would pay for his bail, legal defence, retirement, and a scholarship for as many people has he can count.
Mr. Phelps really needs to go over some of the scripture presented by Rocky Mtn. Lioness and while he's at it maybe reread the Greatest Commandment.
I used to live in Topeka, which is where this yutz is based, and I got to see his antics on a regular basis. I've been personally called a sodomite by his followers as I entered my church - he was picketing it for some reason. He tends to do that and nearly every human but his crew are sodomites. His family and church cohorts even have their own little compound over which he flies an upside-down American flag.
Having had experience with this loser, the best tact is to ignore him as much as possible. Arguing with him or insulting him is like sweet birdsong to him - you can't pay him a higher compliment - and he's keenly aware of how far he can push his legal rights. Ignoring him is hard to do at a funeral, I know, but the most effective tactic is to make him seem irrelevant.
What's really unfortunate is the kids of the church (who don't escape bullying at the public schools, I can assure you). Check out the fun photos of them on Phelps's website:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/photos/thisyear.html
-Dangerous Dan
Phelps should be beaten like an unwanted step child for doing this...then beaten again...
Of course that man can be and SHOULD BE barred from the funeral. He does not have the right to take advantage of the grieving family and manipulate their grief for his baseless aims.
The police chief should make sure that man gets nowhere the poor woman's family...
Fred Phelps has been doing this for decades. This isn't really news.
Johnny: No legal pretext is needed at all. This is a private event, and Fred Phelps is not invited. He has publicly stated his intent to cause a disruption. If he shows up anywhere near the funeral, there is reasonable cause to assume that he's going to cause trouble; he can be pre-emptively removed from the situation.
Oh, the First Amendment doesn't apply to private actions take by private citizens. Fred Phelps being refused the right to speak at a private funeral is no more a First Amendment violation that, say, you getting banned from a message board (and I'm willing to bet that this has happened to you more than once.)
I can't even begin to describe how awful I think this guy is. He's a self-serving neanderthal and an embarrassment to all who really are Christians.
If God's sending IED's, maybe He could lob one Fred's way....
If I wanted to point out the ironic, I would point out how the boys and girls modeling the "God Hates Fags" t-shirts have their arms around each other in a show of affection.
While as much as I intellectually can recognise your arguments Johnny. Emotionally I know if this guy came within 10 feet of me I would have an extremely hard time of trying not to hurt him.
Thanks to all for the mostly thoughtful responses. I'll just pile all my replies to various points here.
JPS, I wasn't mocking about the SS. I bitch like hell when they do that. I agree with you about the fighting words exception. If he tried what you suggest, and I were on the jury, I could, depending on the circumstances, vote not guilty to a defendant who kicked his ass. I disagree with your point about Shepard though; the earlier posts here weren't saying he should get his ass kicked for disrupting the funeral, they said he should get his ass kicked because of who he is.
Mr. Wayne Fielder, I agree with you entirely.
Density Duck, if what you say is true, that it is a private funeral, of course you are correct. From what I saw in the article, it's going to be a public event. "Caldwell Police Chief Bob Sobba said he can't bar Phelps from going to the public funeral." There's a big difference there. It's also true, as you say, that this scum has no right to speak at the funeral. However, he has a right to stand across the street and say what he wants.
And no, I've never been barred from any message board anywhere. Why do you think I have been? Are you an habitue of message boards where defenders of the first amendment are banned regularly? Have you ever been banned from a message board?
If the guy breaks into a private ceremony and makes an ass of himself, as he is very obviously capable of doing, I have no real objection to whatever happens to him. OTOH, if he runs his mouth near a public gathering, and you think arresting him or physically silencing him is OK, then you have no moral or logical objection to the governemnt silencing its opponents.
JVoss, et al, I understand your feelings here, and I pretty much agree with them, but we can't base policy on feelings or emotions. No matter what you think of Phelps, the rules that apply to him apply to the rest of us. Silencing him may sound like a good idea, but when it applies to you or me we'll have a different opinion.
Johnny
Willy: If we send Fred Phelps to Gitmo, chain him to the floor in a 100 degree room, and let him lie in his own filth for a day or two listening to Christina Aguilera music (or better yet, Culture Club), will you shut the hell up about the terrorists? 'Cause I'd take that deal.
Willy: If we send Fred Phelps to Gitmo, chain him to the floor in a 100 degree room, and let him lie in his own filth for a day or two listening to Christina Aguilera music (or better yet, Culture Club), will you shut the hell up about the terrorists? 'Cause I'd take that deal.
I made a quip to that effect earlier in this thread, and then Greyhawk cited it in a subsequent thread to illustrate that I am a leftist hypocrite. All of which reminded me of Gore Vidal's description of America as the "the land of the dull and the home of the literal"
So I'm afraid that our right-wing host has forced me to temporarily give up my sense of humor, and I must therefore tell you that I don't approve of torturing anyone at anytime. Not even Fred Phelps, however much one might be tempted to make an exception just once.
Willysnout: '...quip...leftist hypocrite...give up my sense of humor...however much one might be tempted to make an exception *just once*.'
Haha..Hah....Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Oh, but Willysnout, you ARE a hypocrite! Either that, or you are Greyhawk's very own 'Fred Phelps', who only drops by and tries to see how riled up he can (maybe) get someone. What a sad joke, though. You 'might be tempted' to 'torture' Fred Phelps for his free speech, repugnant though it may be, but you have nothing but compassion for those who have taken up arms against our country and are working to destroy it, and everyone in it (unless we convert to good Islamists and pay the dhimmi tax, of course).
(I can just hear your response, too; scripted, of course: 'You can't handle the truth; you hate the truth; you wouldn't recognize the blah blah, I'm just telling you blah blah blah blah...')
Dear dear Willysnout. You cry about taking Durbin's comments out of context. But you've done so much taking out of context yourself, so freely. That (again) is what makes you a hypocrite.
And if you want, I'll cite one SPECIFIC instance, only because it's so obvious what you did: You claim the International Committee of the Red Cross has stated that what we are doing in Gitmo is 'tantamount to torture', but you say that in YOUR OWN context of discussing Stalin and Hitler. In reality, the context was discussing the fact that the Geneva Conventions allow signatories to hold enemy combatants (NOT soldiers, as defined in the G.C.) until the end of the conflict. THAT, dear sir, is what they said was 'tantamount to torture'. Notice, also, that that phrase, 'tantamount to torture', is NOT calling it torture. It's saying that, in THEIR VIEW, holding these terrorists until the end of the conflict would be "like" torture. Again: in THEIR view. Unfortunately, they do not have the Geneva Conventions on their side.
That's just one instance, by the way. There are many others. Like, e.g., you claim (as did Senator Durbin) that we have forsaken the Geneva Conventions with respect to the detainees at Gitmo, when in reality, we are following it (almost) to the letter.
(CAUTION: I said 'almost', because the G.C. allows the US to summarily execute enemy combatants, as they are defined in the G.C. And, well, we haven't done that, have we?. . .OOOOHHHHHH! Maybe that's what you mean by stating that we aren't following the Geneva Conventions with these terrorists! EXECUTIONER! Forthwith to the gallows!)
If he is, as has been talked about elsewhere, a scammer looking for litigation, then I suspect he has just never had his ass kicked CORRECTLY. I also suspect that if he and his band of merry pranksters continue with this modus operendi they will soon become case studies for phrenologists everywhere.