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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! May 22, 2005 From the SewerBy GreyhawkReporters from all over the globe today are setting up permanent base camps in toilets and sewers at Guantanamo, Cuba, and other prisons around the world desperately seeking evidence of Korans in those locations. Here's an update on their progress thus far. 1. Time magazine reporter Viveca Novak publishes Inside the Wire, a book about abuse of prisoners in Guantanamo. She gives coauthor credit to Eric Saar, a former military interpreter there. The book does not mention any incidents of Koran flushing, instead focusing on the use of female guards to embarrass the prisoners. However, this by no means shows that Koran abuse didn't occur. The publisher has already issued one correction/retraction to material it contains: At pages 191-192, Inside the Wire: A Military Intelligence Soldier?s Eyewitness Account of Life at Guantanamo by Erik Saar and Viveca Novak, erroneously states that civilian interrogators hired through an army contract with CACI were in Guantanamo Bay. The book also describes the activities of two contract interrogators. CACI has unequivocally stated that it had no involvement in any interrogation operations at Guantanamo and that it had no relationship whatsoever with the civilian contract interrogators involved in the use of the interrogation techniques discussed in the book. The Penguin Press and the Authors acknowledge and regret the error. In addition, The Penguin Press and the Authors are taking a number of corrective actions, including inserting erratum slips in Penguin?s remaining copies of the book, providing erratum slips to Penguin?s accounts for insertion into books that have already been shipped, and advising media organizations that will be interviewing the authors of the error. Future printings will be corrected to address the error. 2. Newsweek gets the ball rolling on Koran flushing. In a brief story that also provides a plug for Novak's book the magazine claims that a US government report will confirm that a Koran was flushed down a toilet at Guantanamo. As riots sweep the Islamic world resulting in deaths in Afghanistan Newsweek refuses to apologize and instead publishes additional claims of Koran flushing. Claiming to have a "source" who left them dangling, within days they change their minds and retract the story. 3. Other publications leap quickly to the defense of Newsweek, publishing as many unsupported claims of Koran flushing they can find. Mostly from former inmates from Guantanamo and other prisons. (Coincidentally, a captured al-Qaeda handbook instructs them to make such claims.) The Washington Post, however, provides what seems to be more credible evidence, claiming that Erik Saar "said in interviews and in his book that he never saw a Koran flushed in a toilet but that guards routinely ignored prisoners' sensitivities by tossing it on the ground while searching their cells." Within days they were forced to retract: A May 18 article incorrectly stated that former Army translator Erik Saar said in previous media interviews that guards at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, routinely tossed Korans on the ground. Saar has said there were "chronic problems" with the way military guards handled the Koran and failures to follow military procedures for respectfully handling the Muslim holy book when guards inspected cells, but he did not say that guards routinely tossed copies of the book.However, even the Post's retraction didn't tell the whole story, as the Washington Times reports: In his recent book "Inside the Wire," former Army interpreter Eric Saar noted that the issue of Korans at Camp Delta was so sensitive that only soldiers of the Muslim faith were allowed into cells at the onset of searches to handle them.You can bet we haven't heard the last of this story. America's intrepid heroes of journalism won't let these many failures stop them from defining their version of truth. We here at Mudville are confident that one day in the future they might report something accurately. We have no idea how many reporters are currently in the sewers under Guantanamo eagerly awaiting updates to this story, but if a big scoop lands in their laps you can bet we'll report it here. Posted by Greyhawk / May 22, 2005 2:54 PM | Permalink 3 TrackBacksNewsweek obviously believes desecration is in the eye of the beholder. (Or, they just want to stick it in our eye.) Amazingly, Newsweek editors responsible for an edition that ran in February in Japan, depicts a soiled American flag with its staff brok... Read More ....Mudville Gazette chronicles the devolution of the Koran abuse stories. It began with Newsweek's claim that a Koran was flushed down a toilet. When that story was fo... Read More The fallout from the story by Newsweek about desecrating the Quran at Guantanamo has plenty of parties that could have done a lot better. First off, how could Newsweek run with this story based on here-say from a single source. Read More 3 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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What can they tell us about the prisoner's diets? Is it true that many are suffering from numerous afflictions of the bowells?
GreyHawk,
It used to be said that a roomful of monkeys, sitting at typewriters, would eventually, through sheer force of random statistical distribution, be able to reproduce the works of William Shakespeare, if given long enough to randomly type things at these machines.
Then someone actually put this theory to the test. And it appeared monkeys weren't so random after all, as they never produced a single recognizable word on paper after months of random encounters with the keyboards. In fact, they more frequently left manure on the keyboards or produced streams of the same letter across the pages, rather than produced anything remotely approaching a recognizable word.
I guess if you let the American press work on this problem, in another one or two HUNDRED years we might have a correct and accurate story on systematic US military torture methods. Or at least a recognizable facsimile of the English language.
Or maybe not.
Subsunk
I don't think that the Conservative media is helping. When they blame the riots on Islam only they are being simplistic and arrogant.
They care more about excusing the fallout of the Newsweek story in an effort to whitewash their peers at Newsweek,/i> of any and FURTHER responsibility. This protests their SHARED interests and they are more interested in what their peers in the liberal media think than what it has cost the out-of-sight, out-of-mind soldiers and marines in the area who are struggling to maintain stability in the area.
To add further insult what does this attitude tell the Muslims in our forces who are trying to help? AND the moderate Muslims who are trying to bridge the cultural divide?
Please help. I am embarrassed as to what Muslims in the military might feel about this.