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May 22, 2005

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By Greyhawk

Last week The Washington Post, jumping on the "defending Newsweek" bandwagon and supporting the magazine's right to publish unsubstantiated reports of Koran abuse in American prisons, provided a laundry list of similar allegations. Most were from prisoners, but one was from former Army interpreter Eric Saar:

Erik Saar, a former Army translator at Guantanamo Bay who has written a book about mistreatment of detainees at the military prison, said in interviews and in his book that he never saw a Koran flushed in a toilet but that guards routinely ignored prisoners' sensitivities by tossing it on the ground while searching their cells.
Unfortunately, the author quickly learned that if you're going to quote a book you might want to read it first. Here's today's correction:
A May 18 article incorrectly stated that former Army translator Erik Saar said in previous media interviews that guards at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, routinely tossed Korans on the ground. Saar has said there were "chronic problems" with the way military guards handled the Koran and failures to follow military procedures for respectfully handling the Muslim holy book when guards inspected cells, but he did not say that guards routinely tossed copies of the book.
In the immortal words of Emily Latella, "nevermind". Don't worry though, we're sure the original WaPo claims will continue to be heavily quoted as "definitive". Corrections are notoriously hard to find, and this one's no exception.

I'm at a loss as to why so many news outlets are so eager to get this story so wrong. Couldn't some minimum level of research be done prior to publishing something that's now demonstrably inflammatory? Aren't there some kind of "journalistic standards" for this sort of thing? I've heard that there are, but never having seen them I'll refrain from speculating as to whether they've been violated here.

More on Saar's book, "co-authored" with reporter Viveca Novak here.

Update: The author of this UPI report in Washington Times read the book more slowly and carefully:

In his recent book "Inside the Wire," former Army interpreter Eric Saar noted that the issue of Korans at Camp Delta was so sensitive that only soldiers of the Muslim faith were allowed into cells at the onset of searches to handle them.
Even the WaPo's "correction" sounds incredibly biased now. Pathetic.


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"I'm at a loss as to why so many news outlets are so eager to get this story wrong."

I believe they all share the same objective of discrediting Bush and making the USA look bad. A lie repeated often enough becomes the accepted truth. Examples of this are; the U.S. Government puposefuly spreading smallpox to Indians by handing out deseased blankets, and, more recently, the military targeting journalists in Iraq. Their credibility and reputation are secondary if they can accomplish their objective. Besides, having already been exposed as America-hating partisan frauds what do they have to lose?

"I'm at a loss as to why so many news outlets are so eager to get this story so wrong."

20 years ago, the NY Times and the Wash Post controlled US politics. Now the Big Players are USA Today and Wallstreet Journal.


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Source - http://abcas3.accessabc.com

The company that owns the Washington Post is the same company that owns Newsweek. Of course the WP would try to help out Newsweek.

WHY DON'T THE ADMINISTRATION MAKE THIS POINT LOUD AND CLEAR WHEN IT COMES TO ANONYMOUS SOURCES,
"CONSIDER THE SOURCE." NAMES NOT ATTACHED TO A REPORT SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY WEIGHT AS TO ITS CREDIBILITY. SO NOW WE ARE TO BELIEVE THAT THE U.S. MILITARY TOOK PICTURES OF SADDAM. YEAH, RIGHT! WHO'S TO SAY IT WASN'T A MEMBER OF HIS LEGAL TEAM?

The Sunday Oregonian pulled this same crap today with a story titled, "Guantanamo Reports give US a black eye in world". Get a load of the subtext... "More than Muslim poulations take umbrage at released prisoner's stories of torture and abuse of the Quran." The story does make brief mention of Newsweek's retraction, but goes on to treat it as established fact just the same.

Why do Iraqis line up time after time for police recruiting lines after they are blown up by suicide bombers? What's behind that? Surely that is as newsworthy as what a soldier thinks about Rumsfeld.

What tactics are the jihadis using? What about reports of drivers chained to the steering wheel, and drugs found to be fueling Fallujah fighters. Was any of that confirmed? Inquiring minds want to know.

What accomplishments (not just sacrifices and traumas) have occurred on the ground? What incredible feats have our soldiers performed that have not been covered or even documented? Surely they are just as much a part of the story as Abu Ghraib. Again, not asking for cheerleading, just balance.

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November 26, 2010


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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004