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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! May 6, 2005 True LiesBy GreyhawkBob Herbert couldn't get enough Delgado into one column, so here's more. His bottom line: "At what point," he (Delgado) asked, "does a series of 'isolated incidents' become a pattern of intolerable behavior?"That's exactly what I was talking about before - good to see him come around to my way of thinking. I can't wait for the next episode, because no doubt that's where he'll finally name the names of those who Delgado accuses, and the wheels of justice will at last begin to turn. Without identifying the real soldiers Herbert will indeed have succeeded in nothing but tarnishing the reputations of those hundreds of thousands who served honorably - more so than any other journalist in America today. It's not that hard. I can name one of them. I saw him myself, and I can reveal the name of the soldier Delgado heard pray before he killed an enemy. Here's Delgado's latest version of the story: Mr. Delgado confronted a sergeant who, he said, had fired on the detainees. "I asked him," said Mr. Delgado, "if he was proud that he had shot unarmed men behind barbed wire for throwing stones. He didn't get mad at all. He was, like, 'Well, I saw them bloody my buddy's nose, so I knelt down. I said a prayer. I stood up, and I shot them down.' "He's told other versions before, and even in the latest he's wrong on details. As everyone knows, during actual combat no one has time to kneel and pray and stand before shooting - but this guy did do it as part of the process. He was smooth, trained, and convinced he was acting righteously. He wasn't a sergeant though, he was a private. His name is Private Jackson, and he killed not one, but many. Here are some verifiable quotes we heard him use while lining up a shot immediately prior to killing: Be not that far from me, for trouble is near; haste Thee to help me.Delgado and I both saw and heard Jackson do this. You don't have to take my word for it. As Herbert says, there are numerous images of war readily available, and Jacksons acts were caught on this video Posted by Greyhawk / May 6, 2005 7:24 PM | Permalink 6 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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LOL!
You know... I haven't actually ever watched that video. ;-)
It's amazing how many storied written by the various propagandists come straight out of the script for "Apocalypse Now"...first we have "reality tv"...now we have "Hollywood based reality"
Left handed feller from Arkasas, if I recall... Pretty good with a rifle...
"It took many long years for the military to repair its reputation after Vietnam."
Feh.
The military didn't have it's reputation sullied... It was the lame brains who cobbled the military who sullied it's reputation...
Something I've been meaning to say...
Knowing guys... if someone is being annoying it's entirely likely that volunteers will step up to twist his tail. So the hear-say stuff Delgado reports could be what soldiers told him, including the stuff that sounds like Saving Private Ryan.
Think about it... some guy comes up to you after a riot and attempted prison break where you had to shoot some people (assuming that the conversation happened) and says "Are you proud of shooting unarmed people?" What do you say? Do you take the person seriously and explain something real or do you lift a bit from a movie or even make up some incredible horrific lie to the tune of babies and ketchup?
Maybe I'm way off base here, and it's not that I don't believe that bad stuff happens or that some soldiers might have genuinely callous attitudes and a few might even be sadistic, but unless I've got reason to believe a report is legit I'm more inclined to believe the storytellers are telling stories than telling the truth.
Or maybe I'm just projecting?
my 5/02/05 email to Bob Herbert
Mr. Herbert:
Did you bother to check out Aiden Delgado's stories? Or did you just use your column to repeat his assertions? Are you paid to be a secretary or a journalist? Where was it reported that Delgado testified against anyone, made a written statement against anyone, or reported what he says to the Army CID or IG and what he says was confirmed or denied by the statements and testimony of others or physical evidence? These are only his unsubstantiated statements.
Point the facts out to me to the contrary and not just what he could have read about and made up a story from reports he read. If I maligned you, I will apologize to you.
Will you apologize in your column if it turns out Delgado's assertions are proven to be false and you failed to do your job? No. You're a columnist. It isn't your job to find facts or to confuse people with them. Columnist aren't required to get and add statements for or against what they write or what others assert and they just regurgitate. They are free to offer their own opinions, like an umpire with bad vision and without glasses: you can call 'em like you see 'em and when you don't see 'em you make it up. If they can't make them up themselves, they print gossip.
If you were a reporter, you'd have fired you for From 'Gook' to 'Raghead'. But then again, you work for the New York Times. They'll probably make you the news editor.
If the MSM reported on sports as badly as they do on military/defense issues they wouldn't last a week. Thank God for the blogs, that there's people who have first hand experience with the story to say "wait a minute, something smells here." MSM is the living example of truism "suspision often creates what it suspects (C.S. Lews)."
Cheers,