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April 30, 2005Just Another Stripe (Down the Toilet of Life)By GreyhawkJoe Chenelly, who did a fine job presenting MilBloggers in the Army Times, quoted me during an NPR interview recently: On particular blogger, who goes by the handle Greyhawk, recommended that anyone blogging, when they write, to write assuming that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is going to read your blog.True - but the full quote is to write like the Chairman and your mother are going to read your blog. I invite any reader here to decide which of those two people would be more embarrassed by the following (by the way mom, stop reading now) : Everyone has a vision of how they want to remember their combat experience and particularly how they want others to view their combat service. Most soldiers, and especially infantrymen, want to realize all their Jerry Bruckheimer-fueled fantasies with macho military fervor. All I did was include more details in hopes of providing a more honest and humorous perspective of what soldiering is typically like. I could write ?We went on a raid tonight. We smashed the gate down and cleared the house, but the guy we were looking for wasn?t home.? But instead I?d write ?Tonight we went on a raid. It wasn?t till 3am and I couldn?t sleep so I masturbated before we left. On the way to the raid we got lost, but after driving around for a while we finally found the house. We tried to breech the gate of the outer wall, but in the process accidentally ended up knocking the entire wall over. After clearing the house, we realized it was the wrong one. Once we figured out where the correct house was, we raided it. But the guy we were looking for wasn?t home. As I was pulling security on an alley, I realized that the chow we had for dinner wasn?t agreeing with me and when I tried to fart ended up shitting my pants a little. Once we finished searching the house, we hopped back in our Humvees and took what we thought was our planned egress route, but instead found ourselves on a dead end canal road. While turning around, one of the Humvees got stuck in the mud. Most raids do not go this badly. We eventually made it back to our base safe and sound. My ass had started to chafe from when I ?sharted?, so I took a shower, masturbated, and went to bed.? (This, by the way, is a true story.) If I wrote a story like this, my commander would spend thirty minutes condemning me for portraying our unit as incompetent and unprofessional, but charge me with violating OPSEC because I disclosed tactical details on how we perform breeches.That's Jason Hartley of Just Another Soldier notoriety. His blog was shut down by his commander, but he later put it back online. That earned him an Article 15, and punishment that included a demotion and a fine. Hartley is also interviewed in the NPR piece linked above, which goes to great lengths to discuss censorship and military blogs. He uses the opportunity to insult his fellow military bloggers, insisting that those who are allowed to continue blogging are producing "insipid" content. (This judgment from a guy who once posted a picture of himself on the toilet, as he bragged to NPR.) He finds the Dagger Jag blog especially offensive, citing it in his NPR interview and, apparently, every other chance he gets: Apparently our brigade JAG guy (2 BCT 1 ID) was too busy with his own blog (daggerjag.blogspot.com or something like that) to process my article 15 while we were in Iraq, so it didn?t get resolved.That's a very serious accusation to make - especially about a blog updated as infrequently as Dagger Jag was. Reading that comment one might be tempted to speculate that Spc Harltley has a problem with typing faster than he thinks. This is the blogosphere, after all, and such news tends to get around. How? Glad you asked. This case illustrates perfectly the absurdity of attempting to regulate military blogs. Once his blog was shut down Hartley began sending his observations out via an email list - one that anyone who wished could sign up for at his site. Of course, several bloggers did so, and they posted his email on their blogs, and as a result his words appear on even more web sites and reach an even larger audience than if he was simply running a blog. Still, Just Another Soldier is the example cited time and again by those who insist that military bloggers are oppressed and censored by "The Army". There's another angle that is repeatedly misinterpreted in the MilBlogs story - blame "The Army" all you want, it's the individual commanders who determine if a soldier's activities are prejudicial to morale, order, and discipline. Jason's obviously made his decision. And as he seems to comprehend (based on the above excerpt) the reality is that Hartley's work violates the mother side of Greyhawk's rule above. And while some Americans are interested in the former SGT's uninsipid toilet habits, the Chairman doesn't care, and his commander was obviously unimpressed. Posted by Greyhawk / April 30, 2005 8:08 PM | Permalink 3 TrackBacksMost Milbloggers received an e-mail yesterday informing them of an NPR interview that was focusing on Milbloggers by looking at two blogs: Ma Deuce Gunners and Just Another Soldier. I listened and thought "Mike" from Ma Deuce did a great job, came off ... Read More The Word Unheard on the airwaves (unheard because few if any I know listen to NPR's leftist shilling) is that fellow MilBlogger MDG from MaDeuceGunners has recently been interviewed by NPR and the audio of the segment has been made... Read More Ma Deuce Gunner was interviewed by National Public Radio last week. Read More 15 Comments |
November 18, 2009Dawn Patrol 11/18/2009 [Mrs Greyhawk]
Welcome to the Dawn Patrol, our daily roundup of information on the War on Terror and other topics - from the MilBlogs and various sources around the world. If you're a blogger, you can join the conversation. If you link to any of these stories, add a link to the Dawn Patrol too and your trackback will be added to the list. Hat Tips to the Dawn Patrol are greatly appreciated.Refresh for updates.
AFGHANISTAN/PAKISTANBoondoggle -- [3rd Time, New Country - in Afghanistan] Clinton in Kabul for Karzai's inauguration -- [Foreign Policy - AfPak] The war of leaks -- [Foreign Policy - AfPak] Ridding Afghanistan of Corruption Will Be No Easy Task -- [Los Angeles Times] Afghan Minister Accused of Taking Bribe -- [Washington Post] Vision for Victory, Part I -- [Washington Times] U.S. Turns to Local Guns-for-Hire to Guard Afghan Outpost -- [Danger Room - Noah Shachtman] NATO Chief Confident Afghanistan Will Have More Troops -- [Voice of America] Germany to extend Afghanistan mission another year -- [AP] Pakistani Successes May Sway US Troop Decision -- [New York Times] Where are Taliban and al Qaeda commanders, US media asks Pak -- [Daily News & Analysis] Pakistani Army Shows Off Captured Taliban Posts -- [Washington Post] IRAQIraqi Kurds Warn of Election Boycott in Dispute Over Seats - [Washington Post] US has time to reconsider Iraq drawdown plan-Odierno -- [Reuters] A few words from medics for the 41st Brigade -- [The Oregonian] Goodbye to Iraq, and thanks -- [The Oregonian] U.S. AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLDUS, China in Strained Diplomatic Embrace -- [Wall Street Journal] Obama: 'We've restored America's standing' -- [CNN] Somali Pirates : Maersk Alabama Attacked, Fights Back -- [Eagle Speak] Iranian COS Warns Russia: Your Security Is Tied To Ours -- [Memri Blog]
WAR ON TERROR /TERRORISMSuspected Fort Hood Shooter Believed to Be Self-Radicalized -- [Wall Street Journal] Guantánamo Won't Close by January, Obama Says -- [NY Times] SUPPORTING THE TROOPS...OR NOTNo Man Left Behind -- [Knottie's Niche] LTC Tim Karcher Update -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany] Support SA while Christmas shopping this year! -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany] Trees for Troops: Helping Military Families -- [AdAge.com] FOX 5 Special: I-Team VA Loans -- [FOX News] A FOX 5 I-Team investigation uncovered allegations of a nationwide scheme by banks and mortgage companies to defraud U.S. military veterans. The scheme, spelled out in court documents, claims banks are overcharging veterans on home refinancing loans. The question raised in a racketeering and class action law suit is how many of those loans involved banks defrauding U.S. military veterans. MILITARYMuslim discrimination in the U.S. military. Not. -- [Castra Praetoria] Time to revisit firearms policies on military posts -- [Atlanta Journal Constitution] Army's Record Suicide Rate 'Horrible,' General Says -- [Washington Post]
WELCOME HOMEVeterans' descendants welcome troops home to Fort Campbell -- [Clarksville Leaf Chronicle] 'Greywolf' Among First CAV Troops to Return Home -- [DVIDS] THE MEDIAWhere are Taliban and al Qaeda commanders, US media asks Pak -- [Daily News & Analysis] Army officials said that they have killed as many as 550 Taliban militants a month after the military began its campaign into the lawless territory, yet they acknowledge that hundreds, perhaps thousands more have melted away.
POLITICSRepublicans Criticize Obama's Call to Delay Hill Inquiries on Fort Hood -- [Washington Post] HUMOR / SATIRE
Iraq, Afghanistan, War, Terrorism, Military, Politics, Media, MilBlogs, dawn patrol Mudville
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"This case illustrates perfectly the absurdity of attempting to regulate military blogs."
Perhaps we should consider sending Hugh Hewitt to have a meeting with commanders, as he did last week with TV execs. They just do not seem to have a grasp on what the blogosphere is all about, or how powerful it has become.
Now he's just another whiner, complaining to everyone who will listen that everyone has freedom of speech except him.
Greyhawk,
I think the point is write for your mom and your commander, 'cuz like you said the Chairman doesn't care. It is also good to remember that the right to speak does not supersede the responsibility for a commander to maintain morale. In Hartley's case he was openly venting about the mistakes and missteps common in military operations. At some point that becomes counter-productive and his Commander made that call.
Cordially,
Uncle J
Military Matters
Somehow I think the assitant produce manager or a "deli clerk" would get fired for a blog like that. An E-5 is a "leader"...definitely not the attitude of a "leader". Definitely not the kind of guy I want leading my daughter. She has done her time "manning" the gun on the HMMV without complaint. I would tell her to take a turn in the brig before going outside the wire with that clown.
A while ago we had an ongoing discussion concerning whether MILBLOGGERS had more "freedom of speech" than civilian bloggers. The example given was the Google blogger who was fired.
What you quoted up there is a disgrace. Anyone who produces that much detail of their operation should be shut down. This is exactly how it is in business as well. If I discuss our financials or future business plans, I get fired. Plain and simple.
The only protection for free speech is from the Government blocking individuals. Not corporations or the military blocking discussions about confidential/OPSEC information.
Guess I'll never know what you posted today. I always do as I am told!
In my day someone who admitted this clown's um extracurricular pre and post mission activity would be dumped with some kind of 'we don't want this guy around' discharge. He keeps flapping his gums and he's going to end up with a Big Chicken Dinner.
I've heard a lot, right up until maybe mid-2004, about how some of the guys with entrance tests high enough to have qualified for OCS in my day being put on waiting lists to enlist. This feller must have slipped through the cracks or is trying very hard to prove that one can have high scores and no sense.
Can't see what he said that had anything to do with OPSEC. They knocked down a wall? Had a wrong address?
I have read Jason Hartley's blog from beginning to end, and have found it quite humorous and insightful. Admittedly, it didn’t portray his unit in a particularly good light all of the time, but I would rather have the opportunity to read the honest ramblings of a soldier than the drivel that comes from some blogs that sound like Army press releases. Not everyone is always of a good cheer, mistakes happen, and gosh darn it, sometimes soldier’s write about things that happen or that they did. I didn’t see anything that isn’t either common knowledge or easily found through the public domain. Just because it can be embarrassing, doesn’t make it classified or OPSEC. So they hit the wrong house…oops. That doesn’t give the bad guys the knowledge where they will hit next. I think he was right to shut down his blog when asked to by his commander, but was he ever ordered to stop writing his friends and family? Think about that…is that what is next in order to prevent embarrassing information from getting out?
Greyhawk,
A couple points:
1) Hartley is a funny guy. I enjoyed reading his posts.
2) I saw no OPSEC violations. If someone else sees them, let me know where.
3) Sure, the blog portrayed his unit in an unflattering light at times. But I think shutting the blog down for "morale reasons" or whatever justification Hartley's commander used, based on that particular snippet, was an over-reaction, and that the same kinds of justifications many officers tried to use to shut down Bill Mauldin during World War II would apply here.
4) If I'm correct in my belief that our success or failure in Iraq will be determined by the extent the American people continue to support it -- and I'm pretty sure I am -- then we ought to look at the possibility that voices like Hartley's appeal to a segment of the American people in ways that other blogs don't. There's a good possibility that there are a bunch of punks out there who think that the military and service is only for ignorant tools, young men and women who're too stupid to work at MacDonald's. Whatever else Hartley's blog does, it proves this is not so. I hope that Hartley's CO was aware of the possible benefits of that blog as a recruiting tool among that demographic.
And you know what else?
We've all masturbated and shit our pants before.
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As Greyhawk notes with tongue-in-cheek, if this boy's sample of how he would write is typical, the bulk of it fits the definition of insipidity; thus, his criticism of others is misplaced.
I agree that I see no OpSec issues in this entry, but to expose/explain them would draw attention to the specific faults and compound the error; therefore, there is insufficient evidence to fault the command action.
Potty talk (humor?) may entertain the immature, but countless people have observed the fact that a soldier's life consists of brief bursts of frantic activity punctuated by extended boredom; no new ground has been broken in these "revelations".
Interesting that he uses breeches instead of breaches; I suspect it was unintentional, but it was the only real humor I observed in the passage.
"We've all masturbated and shit our pants before."
A datum of surpassing unimportance, but perhaps that's true . It's also true that there used to be many fewer people who assumed that others took an interest in such matters, and would proceed, toddler-like, to tell everyone within earshot about it. There are few so boring as those tedious persons who delight in shocking the 'squares'.
Socialism_is_error,
Yeah, the potty humor may be immature. But so are all of the movies by the Farrelly Brothers. And whatever being immature is, it's not evil.
Anyways.
Hartley is putting his life on the line out there in Iraq, and while he may be immature in some ways, he's mature where it counts. A lot more mature than most young Americans his age, sitting around their college dormitories drinking Zima, bitching about their workload, and protesting against globalization because they think it'll get them laid. The readers of this blog have much more in common with Hartley than they do with 90% of guys his age. We shouldn't forget that in our criticisms.
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Read Hartley's Blog regularly. As a former 11B I could definitely relate to his posts. He captured the comradery and lifestyle of a young single grunt extremely well. The difference does seem to be with the indivudual commander. Colby Buzzel sp?, wrote similar stuff with even more combat info and he became a celebrity. Hartley does it and becomes a target. Perhaps it has someting to do with the fact that he is a Guardsman and his writing could affect his CO's aspirations back home. Or not. In any event, that one post above, while a bit childish and vulgar, does capture the essense of a young light infantryman and has the tone of a conversation between he and his buddies.
First things first--your comment gate blocked my blog's URL. The "questionable content" that blocked it is the domain of my website!
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I tried to help the kid out, but sometimes you can do something actively dumb. In Hartley's case it was (1) telling the world where his unit was going on his blog before it was declasses, freaking out his chain of command, and (2) continuing to post after he got told not to.
There are ways to do such things, and Hartley's a very entertaining writer, but he took an unnecessary risk and paid for it. Not for his political politics, for not recognizing when to launch a WP and when to slink.
I've written about it over at my place--our community doesn't Article 15 as much as others, but we have ways of helping our shipmates that work as effecively at times. The hardest part for some guys after a mast is understanding why they were there besides "they were out to get me"--or getting over that in any case.
But, like I said, he's a good writer. I'll buy a book. I'll just wince at one spot or two when he discusses his fate.