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April 21, 2005

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The View From Outside the Trenches

By Greyhawk

Daniel Starr presents an excellent discussion of a fundamental issue confronting the US military (or any large organization) - the entrenched senior mentality vs. the radical freethinking junior troops. Daniel's take:

It used to be the seniors who were the brain trust -- back in Korea and to some extent in Vietnam, ordinary troops and junior officers were sometimes just completely out of their depth. See the sad tale of Task Force Smith, or the retreat from the Yalu River, or the total breakdown between drafted soldiers and undertrained junior officers in Vietnam War that led to the horror called "fragging." But today, it's the senior officers, in all the services, who most often show up as America's weak point -- not because they're dumb, but because they can't bend themselves enough to handle unfamiliar challenges.
I'd propose for sake of discussion that might not be the case. The reality could be that yesterday's junior troops were as open to change as today's, but that somewhere along the line their path of least resistance (or in some cases, the fast track) was to become as much like their bosses as possible. This key to success goes back many generations, thus a certain corporate stagnation sets in.

The sorts of innovators who take such organizations forward are generally frowned upon by that network of folks who are busy emulating their bosses. This is not unique to the military. But in the corporate world such individuals often escape from those sorts of situations and create successful start-ups that knock the industry on it's collective ear. The military folks with those characteristics often a) suppress the creative spark and get with the program or b) seek greener pastures elsewhere in the civilian world - but obviously not by starting their own competitve Army, Navy, Air Force, etc.

Speaking of competitive military, historically a big war would erupt every generation or so, and the 'peace time' commanders would normally find their careers ending rapidly thereafter as their shortcomings became apparent in the early failures of the campaign - see the Civil War and WWII for examples. But in today's world there is no opposing force capable of defeating the US military. This will keep the process going (or not going, if you prefer), and keep the powers-that-be entrenched.

Just trying to prompt further discussion here. Well, actually at Daniel's. He's an outsider looking in, and I - I am a veteran of years of trench warfare.


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For years, I have thought the Govt. should explore the possibility of privateers (of a sort) to take on some of the roles that the Navy doesn't really want to take on; such as anti-piracy operations. This would allow those that are tired of the "ticket punching" to strike out on their own, yet still continue doing what they love. Give me something about 80 feet long with big engines and a little firepower, turn me loose in the Malacca Straits, and let the pirates beware. And I promise to do it for less than Uncle Sam would spend.

Well, I'd feel better about this whole discussion if my first look at it didn't have such a glaring myth, that of the Viet Nam fraggings. Those were actually quite rare and mostly confined to rear areas and were racially motivated.
The killing of Officers in combat units was even rarer and happened for the same reason they've happened since the stone axe was the state of the art weapon, troops saving their lives by getting rid of a dangerous incompetant. It was rarer in Viet Nam than in previous conflicts simply because Officers higher up the chain of command had a better idea of what was going on in the platoons and companies due to better communications, helos that let them SEE what went on, as well as the old standby, listening to the NCOs. We didn't HAVE to blow away an incompetant, a word with a Master Gunnery Sergeant would suffice, our next patrol we'd have one of the top NCOs from Regiment alongside and if our LT didn't measure up he was gone.
My understanding of Army units leads me to believe the same thing happened there. Even draftees understand that you don't get to blow people away just because we don't like them, it's a last resort.
There is always the problem of warriors messing up the smooth operation of the military, there is a reason that Chesty Puller never made Commandant.

This is a brillant article that highlights both the problems of force structure and planning and the cultures that prevent new methods of planning and operations from suceeding. How many special operations types will ever wear stars? Why is it that the bean counters value numbers of ships, tanks, etc more highly than the numer of operational units and the effectiveness of each unit? You can bet that the AC-130s aren't high on the government's inventory. Just as the Bradley isn't the best for urban guerilla warfare whu didn't we buy or adopt units using the South African Ratel APCs designed for precisely this type of combat?

Peter,

You're certainly right that shooting your own commander was neither invented in Vietnam nor common there or anywhere, and dissatisfaction with officers didn't end with Vietnam (hardly!).

But would you say I was wrong if I said that the average training of privates and lieutenants has improved dramatically from the Army of 1967 to the Army of 2005? Or if I said that the Red Flag program and the like has made a difference in pilot skill?

I don't know how one does a scientific comparison of battlefield performance between a Marine lieutenant in Vietnam forty years ago and a Marine lieutenant in Iraq today. I do know that while morale in the general sense was a thankfully rare issue, lack of skill among the junior enlisted and commissioned ranks was a consistent complaint in both individual reports and institutional analyses from Vietnam (and Korea, and probably World War II), yet today that particular complaint seems much rarer.

Would you say that's just a mistaken impression, and the privates and lieutenants now have much the same level of skill and training as back then?

Or, when it comes to a loss of trust between leaders and subordinates, would you say that better training doesn't really make a difference in sustaining that trust?

I've always felt that the superior performance of the Marines during the general retreat before the Chinese in Korea in 1950-51 ("retreating, hell! We're just attacking in a different direction!") had a great deal to do with a Corps tradition of emphasizing both esprit de corps and small-unit skill. If you want to tell me I'm a fool to claim that the other services have been learning in recent years to imitate those Marine strengths better, you can.

But I think the evidence says there's been a real improvement in the junior enlisted and in the lieutenants, too -- and I would argue, though I admit with weaker evidence, that this is true for the USMC as well as for the Army.

All militaries have always been "Command driven, authoritarian" regimes. It is a necessity imposed by the government that runs the military. I doubt few would be happy with the idea of "Big Johns Bragade Combat Team Inc", at what point would "Big Johns" decide that taking over country X would be more profitable than defending country X. The tinfoil hats already believe that war is instigated for the benefit of the "military industrial complex".

I would suggest that keeping our troops and officers exposed to the "free market" thru things like substantially reducing reliance on "base services" likes base housing,commisaries and the such would go a long way towards keeping "group think" from setting in.

I think a similar arguement can be made about Congress. Term limits would be the equivilant of"fragging".

Daniel, I would go further than saying that the training and skill levels of junior Offices and NCOs, as well as PFCs have improved dramatically since my day.
There is a coffee shop near the County Courthouse that is also near the recruiter's offices, I go there every week or so to keep up with the departmental gossip since I retired. As well as the still serving Deputies and the old farts like me I talk to the recruiters some. As late as 2003 young men who would have qualified for OCS in my day were put on waiting lists instead of being enlisted as Privates.
Enlistees today are smarter, better educated and healthier than than 1964, much less 1969, this can't help but make a difference. Better Privates grow into better NCOs. I can only assume that the training for young Officers is equally improved. Of course, even without better training the better NCOs will grow better JOs.
My familiarity with Army units in that war was limited to a short stint when the Army took over the AO around Chu Lai, I had the honor of working with an Infantry unit, helping them in learning the ground. My impression was the racial unrest was quite a bit higher which led to much of the distrust you speak of, perhaps to a greater extent than the less highly trained JOs and JNCOs. After all, it doesn't take very long for the cream to rise to the top in combat. Poor JOs and JNCOs didn't last long in any unit I served in or with. Those who didn't measure up got transferred to the 341st Messkit Repair Platoon in Barstow, Arizona or some such outfit.
My objection was based simply on the impression that the original post left that fragging was common. It was simply too easy to get rid of those who turned out to be incompetants or those who slipped through the cracks in training only to discover that, in combat, were hysterics or poltroons.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004