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April 6, 2005

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Schiavo Memo: The Plot Thickens

By Greyhawk

Just a few weeks after the story first appeared on Powerline, the Washington Times offers some investigation and reporting on the ABC/Washington Post memo. In response to a survey conducted by the paper, all 55 Republican senators say they had never seen the document prior to it's appearance on ABC and in the Washington Post, and only one Democrat insists he saw it circulate on the Senate floor.

All 55 Republican senators say they have never seen the Terri Schiavo political talking-points memo that Democrats say was circulated among Republicans during the floor debate over whether the federal government should intervene to prolong her life.

A survey by The Washington Times found that every Republican said the memo was not crafted or distributed by him or her. Every one of them said he or she had not seen it until the memo was the subject of speculation in major news organs, particularly ABC News and The Washington Post.

Democrats said Republicans distributed the memo, and one Democratic official told The Post that a Republican senator gave it to a Democratic senator.

The Times surveyed all 44 Democrats and the chamber's one independent, and only one of them, Sen. Tom Harkin, Iowa Democrat, said through a spokeswoman that he saw it circulated on the Senate floor.

"He said that the memo was being circulated by Republican members on Thursday before we went out of session, and that is when he saw it," said his spokeswoman, Allison Dobson.

Two Democratic offices refused to respond ? Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat ? the latter even as he continued to accuse Republicans of being behind it.

"We will not participate in the survey. News outlets have investigated and authenticated the memo was real and came from Republican sources. We have no further comment," said spokeswoman Tessa Hafen. "If you want more information on the memo, you should work on finding the Republican who wrote it."

She did not respond to a request to name the newspaper or network that had "authenticated" the memorandum.

Interesting that Tom Harkin was the only senator to see the memo circulate on the floor. Harkin, who 'through a spokeswoman' has accused every Republican senator in America of lying, is well known for lying about his service in Vietnam.

Recall that the NY Times reported that unnamed "Democratic aides" were the only people ever seen distributing the memo:

As tensions festered among Republicans, Democratic aides passed out an unsigned one-page memorandum that they said had been distributed to Senate Republicans. "This is an important moral issue and the pro-life base will be excited that the Senate is debating this important issue," the memorandum said.

Dr. Frist and other Republicans denied having seen the memorandum, and Dr. Frist said he "condemned it as soon as I heard about it."

There's much more at the Washington Times - although there's no mention of the fact that blogs broke the story.

Update: Now the tale begins to unravel. See Joshua Claybourn and Powerline.

Martinez, in his statement, said Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, had asked for background information on the bill ordering a federal court to review the Schiavo case.

He said he pulled a one-page document from his coat pocket and handed to Harkin. "Unbeknownst to me ... I had given him a copy of the now infamous memo."

He said Harkin had called him earlier Wednesday to say he believes the memo had been given to him by Martinez. The Florida senator said he then ordered an internal investigation in his office.

Given the Washington Times story above a likely scenario would be Martinez is telling the truth. And exaggerating the importance of the document would certainly seem to be in character for the faux "Vietnam veteran fighter pilot". If nothing else, at this point it seems that at least one Senator's aid and another Senator are certainly guilty of seeking political profit from the Schiavo case. That they represent both sides of the aisle is disappointing but absolutely not surprising. We'll assume neither individual is representative of their respective parties until proven otherwise.

Both the above links note a host of unanswered questions, but the whole truth might yet be revealed in this story - and only due to the efforts of bloggers who kept the light shining. That many will be unsatisfied with the result doesn't change that fact.

More to come - we'll certainly stay on it here. I'm sure the finger pointing and acrimony have just begun...

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John Hinderaker:

There are still several unanswered questions, of which the most important is: Did Harkin (or possibly someone else) misinform the reporters about the source, nature and distriubtion of the memo, or did the reporters see the memo and leap to the wrong conclusion? I have posed this question to Mike Allen of the Post, and will pass on any reply that I receive.
That is the central question now - but I wouldn't exect to see it answered any time soon. Nor would I expect clarification on the issues raised by Michelle Malikin:
A related issue was ABC News' and the Post's mischaracterizations of their own reporting. ABC News insisted it never said the memo was distributed by Senate Republicans even though Kate Snow said just that. Allen repeatedly denied that he reported the memo was distributed by GOP "party leaders" even though a widely-published article carrying his byline said just that. After this blog and others pointed out the discrepancy, Allen himself requested that his initial claim be retracted. Post editors, however, concluded that a retraction was not warranted.

Mickey Kaus:

WaPo's Mike Allen reports that the now-famous Schiavo "talking points" memo came from freshman GOP senator Mel Martinez's office. So that mystery is cleared up. The memo wasn't a fake. But Allen doesn't come off looking too good in this latest account. a) The memo was apparently not "distributed to Republican Senators by party leaders," as Allen's initial story, sent out through the Post news service to other papers, reported. It was--at least judging from today's account--handed to one Democratic senator, Tom Harkin, by one freshman Republican senator (who isn't in the party leadership); b) Allen doesn't explain why he told Howie Kurtz he "did not call them talking points or a Republican memo" when he had in fact done just that in the news service draft; c) Even the later, more "carefully worded" account Allen published in the Post itself was apparently wrong. Allen wrote

In a memo distributed only to Republican senators, the Schiavo case was characterized as "a great political issue" ...

This is almost the reverse of what Allen now reports.

Much more here.

Still more (fair and balanced): see this too.


Posted by Greyhawk / April 6, 2005 10:13 AM | Permalink

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Answer: Yes from Power Line on April 6, 2005 12:14 PM

Brian DeBoseand Stephen Dinan ask in today's Washington Times; "Was the Schiavo memo a fake?" Here are the opening two... Read More

Fake, But Real from The Loudest Cricket on April 6, 2005 2:09 PM

The Washington Times looks into the Shiavo talking points memo allegedly passed around to Republicans while debating whether or not to intervene in the case. I see two things happening here. First, the MSM is, for the most part, ignoring... Read More

memogate II, day 18 from Fishkite: The Blog Between Church and State on April 6, 2005 2:19 PM

LOTS OF UPDATES... keep scrolling! Check out the latest from This Modern World: In this case, the memo in question is obtained by CNN's Wolf Blitzer, and alleges that Condoleezza Rice is "actually a hideous multi-tentacled alien being which... Read More

This Modern World gets in on the act with a cartoon. But more important, the mighty Matt Drudge has finally taken up the call with a link to a Washington Times piece that asks, "Was the Schiavo memo a fake?"All... Read More

Well, now, here is the big question of the day: Was the Schiavo Memo a fake? It's only taken how many weeks to find a MSM outlet that would even ask the question? Read More

Greyhawk at Mudville Gazette has a piece (go read it)on the so called "talking points" memo supposedly circulated by the Repubs prior to the Terri Schiavo vote. The only problem is, is that all 55 of the Republicans deny seeing or authoring it, none of... Read More

I haven’t had the time this week to dig into the stories about the Schiavo memo circulating on the hill. Here is some of the press coverage: AJC Hartford Courant Boston Globe ABC News Post (and here) Many blogs are covering the coverage, an... Read More

For all the carping and whining the liberal MSM does about the "moonie" newspaper The Washington Times, its reporters apparently could teach their competitors at the Washington Post a thing or two about investigative reporting. Read the Times' st... Read More

The Washington Times (finally, someone in the old media, even if it is right-leaning) has looked further into the Schiavo "talking points" memo and they have found no Republican fingerprints. (Hat tip: Powerline) The first paragraphs lay it out: ... Read More

The Washington Times asked all 55 republican Senators if they had personally gotten a look at the alleged GOP Talking Points Memo on Terri Schiavo.  Not one single Republican Senator would say that they had seen the memo before ABC and... Read More

Gee, I wonder from Sophistpundit on April 6, 2005 7:17 PM

Mudville Gazette has the latest on the talking points memo debacle. Seems the only people ever seen distributing the memo were Democrat aides. Strange thing, that. Democrats telling Republicans what their talking points are. Read More

I don't know how many holes one has to shoot in something before it actually either sinks or goes down in flames, but this "Schiavo Memo" must be made of something special. Nobody in the MSM or in the Democratic ranks are going to admit that maybe they h Read More

Greyhawk writes, In response to a survey conducted by the paper, all 55 Republican senators say they had never seen the document prior to it's appearance on ABC and in the Washington Post, and only one Democrat insists he saw... Read More

More on the Schiavo Memo from Fat Steve's Blatherings on April 7, 2005 3:29 AM

Last week, I posted my solution to the Schiavo memo story: a real Republican list of talking points by Senator Mel Martinez of Florida was altered by Democratic aides. Mudville Gazette links today to a Washington Times story with new information. Read More

The Washington Times has been investigating the memo story, and they've uncovered some interesting information.

All 55 Republican senators say th...
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This was written in my comments area earlier today. I am responding to it here. Parts in bold are my replies. You stated "b) it was not written by the Republican Party as a whole" when actually, "The legal counsel to Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) adm Read More

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Somebody should aks Dan Rather whether he believes the story behind the fake memo is accurate. I can guess what his answer will be.

Another shocker - memo of dubious authenticity is provided to MSM by Dems who proceed to publish it as a GOP leadership document. Who would have thought it.

The whole story is not just that Republicans deny having it, obviously- if that were all we had, that would not be enough to conclude the memo was a fake.
But it's not all we have- it's not even the most damning thing we have.
The newspaper that originally broke the story is backtracking and now saying 'Well, we never claimed it was a Republican memo.'
The only people who reporters can actually point to as having had the memo in their hands are Democrats.
The Democrats themselves cannot even name a single Republican they saw with it. Harkin says that he saw it with Republicans, but though he could identify the document, he's been unable to identify the people who were holding it, which is pretty funny if you think about it (for some of us, thinking is a routine response, for others, not so much).
The two Dems who ought to be able to tell us the most are refusing to answer questions, even simple ones, like, "if, as you say, the media has identified the Republicans who did this, we must have missed it, so can you tell us which media organization you refer to?" That refusal is pretty revealing.

And the only reason the MSM is trying to pass this off as respectable reporting is because they've been getting away with it for decades. The grown-ups in the blogosphere are going to have continue to consistantly call the kiddies in the MSM on their habitual lying, and maybe someday we'll have reporters who investigate and ask the right questions of _both_ sides of the aisle. It's looking more and more like those reporters will be bloggers, and the current crop of MSM reporters will be gossip columnists.

      Not to sound immodest, but I have figured out what really happened.

THE SAUDS MUST BE DESTROYED!

Huh...so an aide to Sen. Martinez (R-Fl.) really did write the memo, so it really was a Republican memo...I expect the apologies and corrections to fly fast and furious (yeah, right). Keep on blabbing...I mean blogging.

Jason, do you hear the crickets chirping? Retractions aren't the Republicans thing; they do no wrong, after all.

Editors Note: This site allows free speech however these comments have degenerated to the level of school playground name-calling. You're an Idiot, no you're a bigger Idiot Paleeese! As a mother who would never stand for this from her own children I will not stand for it here. We're are adults here. (Offending comments deleted)

But it did get written by a Rep and was passed by a Rep and was denied by all Reps who read it! What ever happened to truth and integrity? Can't blame this one on Dems!(Nor Rather)

I'm with Georgiadem. Let's all pretend we don't understand the issue. It's like math, too hard.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
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