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April 2, 2005

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Insurgent Attack on Abu Ghraib

By Greyhawk

A group of insurgents has attacked Abu Ghraib.

The area is more than just a prison, and reports are conflicting at this time.

Fox (and numerous other sources) reports 20 wounded Americans.

MSNBC uses the term "casualties" - the catch-all for wounded or killed, without noting there are no deaths reported.

A spectacular waste of life for the bad guys, the attack is being described as 'well coordinated'.


Posted by Greyhawk / April 2, 2005 8:57 PM | Permalink

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Please try to get us more details on this spectacular waste of life by the bad guys. We only get the news that we lost guys and gals but it seems to be politically incorrect to count dead bad guys! y1k

"It wasn't immediately clear if any of the insurgents carrying out the attack were arrested or suffered casualties."

Uh, OK! They attacked in force a fortified position manned by soldiers and Marines and it wasn't immediately clear if they suffered any casualties. heh!

And my other car is a gold plated Rolls! ;-)

I'm willing to bet there's a few guys wondering why the hell their 72 virgins (or grapes) aren't showing up...

Abu Ghraib is haunted ground and should be given up to Iraqi forces.

>> Abu Ghraib is haunted ground and should be given up to Iraqi forces.

Huh? What are you smokin' - cuz what ever it is, either it's not enough, or it's too much!

Is it me, or are the "Insurgents" having recruitment problems?

Excerpt from article currently posted on Fox:
"On Sunday, U.S. military officials raised the casualty toll from 20 to 44 U.S. soldiers and Marines wounded.
"Lt. Col. Guy Rudisill said one attacker was killed in the clash, but none were detained. He didn't give further details."

Couldn't reach the MSNBC page linked.

so glib, but maybe they have more balls than you give them credit for. 44 wounded (im sure most lightly), but still, they are trying to hit right at the center. Are you old enough to remember Tet or do you just swallow all the pap you are told ?

It sounds like they are trying to score a significant propaganda victory, somewhere. If we assume, that the large numbers of attackers who were repelled by the Kentucky National Guard and this incident are part of a pattern, then the pattern looks like an attempt to create a propaganda coup, first by taking hostages (failed) and now by a prison break.

The interesting thing here is they are risking significantly larger numbers in these attacks. So, are they taking advantage of a huge number of recruits and don't mind losing up to 30 or more at a time; OR, are they desperately trying to regain lost momentum from the recent elections?

Thoughts, anyone?

Straight from the source...

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/media-information/april/050404a.htm

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Soldiers and Marines successfully repelled a well-coordinated attack by 40-60 terrorists on Forward Operating Base Abu Ghraib April 2 at about 7 p.m. Abu Ghraib is a detention facility for 3,400 detainees as well as an Iraqi-run prison.
In an attempt to gain access to the prison, terrorists launched a simultaneous attack in multiple locations using indirect fires, rocket-propelled grenade fire, small arms fire and a vehicle-borne improvised explosive device. Just as the sun was setting, indirect fire from 81 mm and 120 mm mortars began impacting the operating base. This was followed by multiple RPG attacks and a large volume of small arms fire focused on two guard towers, one on the northwestern and the other on the southeastern corner on the operating base. Using the cover of the mortar fire and the intense fire on the guard towers, the terrorists launched a VBIED to penetrate the perimeter wall near the southeastern guard tower. Marines defending the base returned fire and the VBIED exploded before it reached the perimeter. Marines in the tower were forced to evacuate but were quickly reinforced by a quick reaction force.
The terrorists, using residential areas for cover and concealment, then conducted a ground assault towards the southeastern tower. With reinforcements from the quick reaction force, Marines and Soldiers halted the advance of the terrorists. Additionally, Apache helicopters and artillery fire began to engage the remnants of the attackers. The terrorists were forced to withdraw after suffering an estimated 50 casualties. The attack was over by 9 p.m.
US forces sustained seven wounded who were evacuated to a combat support hospital and sixteen minor injuries from shrapnel who have been returned to duty.
Additionally, thirteen detainees were also wounded from indirect fire, and all detainees remained accounted for.

It sounds like the terrorists got nothing for their trouble.
Funny, but the way the MSM put it, the terrorists won a victory and are definitely getting stronger. And what idiot would compare this pitiful whimper to the Tet offensive? Clearly someone who knows nothing about either Iraq or Tet.

An evocation is not a comparison, and who would think so ? Clearly someone who knows nothing about either rhetoric or PR.

An echo may only be 1000th the power of the sound, but it's identity is clear.


Woah.

Forty (OK, 40-60) terrorists withdraw after suffering (approximately) fifty casualties. Cool.

Does the _reporting_ sound like Tet?

did_the_pope_die_during_Tet ?

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004