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March 20, 2005

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Food Fight!

By Greyhawk

All over America this weekend hundreds of demonstrators braved the spring weather to protest the second anniversary of the war in Iraq. Their efforts ended in failure, however, as early reports indicate the anniversary occurred on schedule.

Undeterred by reality, crowds estimated from "hundreds" to "more than 1,000" hit the streets of Pittsburgh, San Francisco, New York, and Chicago.

Where have all the flower people gone?
To Fayettenam, son, Fayettenam

The "big" demonstration this weekend was to be in Fayetteville NC, home of Ft Bragg and the 82nd Airborne. To maximize turnout, various (ahem) 'national groups' were providing interstate transportation to the site. The concept that a large and vocal anti-war element thrives in the shadows of Bragg needs reinforcements from the 'reality-based' community, you see. Hence, free bus rides!

The result?

Officers estimated 2,500 protesters attended the rally that went on for much of the afternoon. Chuck Fager, the director of Quaker House who helped organize the rally, put the total at 4,800.

If you want a reasonable estimate of marchers at such rallies, take one-tenth the number the organizers claim and one-half of the police estimate. Actual reality will be somewhere in that range. For this event that means 500-1200, a figure supported by photographic evidence:

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Meanwhile, counter-protestors were traveling too, including Vietnam veteran Jim Szakmary

Jim Szakmary said war protesters spat on him when he returned home from Vietnam in 1969.

He doesn't want the same thing to happen to the men and women fighting in Iraq.

Memories of his own homecoming brought him to Fayetteville, where he and about 200 others offered a counterdemonstration to Saturday's anti-war rally at Rowan Park. Szakmary said he wanted soldiers to know that someone stands behind them.

It was important enough to him to drive 11 hours from his home on Long Island, N.Y. He arrived in Fayetteville about midnight, he said.

''After the 10th hour, I was really regretting it," he said.

Three cheers and a tip of the hat to guys like Jim. As one of his fellow counter-protestors noted:

''We learned from Vietnam. No one answered their protests then," said Lynn Huber, a chapter chairwoman for the Old North State chapter of the Free Republic.

But how can you answer the... grotesque giant puppets!!!

Chapel Hill's Paper Hand Puppet Intervention put on a short show before the protest march. Using large puppets on stilts, the performers depicted two tyrants oppressing several people. The puppets, some as tall as 10 feet, were grotesque caricatures of humans. There was no dialogue and the action was punctuated by a single drum. In the end, the people rose up against the tyrants.

No one expects The Giant Puppets!!!

Food fight?

Protesters were treated to a variety of food at Rowan Park. On the anti-war side, vendors sold hot dogs, french fries, chicken curry and several vegetarian dishes.

The counterdemonstrators ate sandwiches.

Perhaps inspired by the giant puppets, at least one chicken curry-munching peace activist was driven over the edge at the sight of the sandwich-eating warmongers:

Police reported one arrest. Rann Bar-On, a speaker at the rally and an Israeli activist who runs the International Solidarity Movement in Durham, was charged with resisting a police officer. Police said Bar-On jumped the fence at Rowan Park and was headed toward counterdemonstrators across the street when they stopped him.

Think the foodrage idea is far fetched?

Some on the Rowan Park stage were colorful, including a troupe of men in drag. And some of the speakers did not have a connection to the war in Iraq at all, including an organization that led a boycott against Taco Bell.

Minions of the evil Burger King, no doubt.

But regardless of your lunch preference, the one thing demonstrated by both sides is that it's great to be in America, where (enraged peace protestors notwithstanding) such small public gatherings can be held without fear of government reprisal.

In Iraq today people are protesting too.

Though in most of the Middle East, you need crowds like this one before you can really feel safe raising your voice.

Meanwhile, in yesterday's NCAA tournament action, Gonzaga, Wake Forest, Oklahoma, and Boston College all lost in upsets.

Guess there will be some long bus rides home.


Posted by Greyhawk / March 20, 2005 3:13 PM | Permalink

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Yeah, planning a rally in NC on a NCAA tourney day is a bad idea if you want the locals to turn out... Although it looked like there were a bunch of loonies there on the local news (we share our local station with Fayetteville).

Also, my friend took a puppetry class from the giant puppet dude, and he is a strange guy. Not a surprise he was there. Usually when he brings the giant puppets out, they present the "Four Seasons" at ren faires. Thanks for the roundup.

Great post Greyhawk. I missed these links to Fayetteville Online. Very good write up. I have some pics from the counterdemonstrators but blogspot giving us issues.

Thanks much for posting this and the other links.

Ray

The problem is just like in Vietnam. The average American could give a rats ass about the war because the average American's life has not changed one bit. While our mercenary Army (made up of a disproportionate number of low income minorities) is off fighting most Americans are only thinking of Basketball and getting the boat ready for spring.

Start a draft (which as we learned today from Vice Chief of Staff Cody is likely) and you will see what happens. No one protested squat in Vietnam until the college deferment was to be eliminated. Then all hell broke loose.

I say, if we go to war EVERYONE goes. If not, we are basically paying a subset to fight for us. Those are called MERCENARIES.

It's not that easy Kevin, until the West truely see's who we are fighting the rest will not wake up. A draft is not necessary at this point and you know that also, let those men and women do their jobs and train the Iraqi's and begin to pullout when the job is done. STOP trying to scare people. Your "subset" and "mercenaries" comments are way out of line.

Hmmm... mercenaries? I never made the connection. Thanks Kev, you've opened my eyes to a whole new way of thinking.

All the whining about low-income minorities only proves what we all know. The left views these people as children who are unable to make decisions about their own lives and who must be protected from the oppressive opportunity to make their lives better.

(And according to a recruiter I talked to once, his biggest problem was finding inner city youth who could pass the ASVAB.)

I don't believe the disproportionate minority myth anyway. I look at pictures of soldiers in Iraq and the force looks pretty darn white to me.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004