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March 3, 2005

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Vermont Guardsman Responds

By Greyhawk

A Vermont Guardsman Responds to this post on the anti-war activists hijacking of Vermont town meetings. The following is a comment signed GreyEagle06:

I am a Vermont Guardsman and have been for the past 17 years. I can only give my perspective. What I will say is that the people who supported the demand to withdraw from Iraq in these towns don't reflect the opinions of the troops who we have deployed and some who have returned. Our soldiers are proud of their service and did their duty. They are proud of what they have accomplished, both in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Last June I attended the funerals of three Guardsmen who were killed in action. Without exception all three families were proud of their loved one's service and sacrifice. All three families had met one another through the family support net program and attended the funeral services for their new found friends' loved ones, in spite of their own grief and pain. I learned to love and hate Toby Keith's "American Soldier" from those funerals. Each family had that song played during the services. That says an awful lot. That is also reflective of how most of the troops and their families feel. When the unit returned from theater last week, I know two, if not three, of the families of our fallen soldiers were there to greet their loved ones' comrades as the got off the jets at the return ceremony at the VTANG airbase. That was at 0500 and in the front end of a snow storm that day. That says an awful lot too.

The majority of our soldiers here are from the rural areas of the state and these area are predominantly conservative types who like their guns, hunting, fishing, snowmobiles and four wheelers. I know this for a fact as I had commanded one of the armor battalions in the most rural area of the state. The people behind the so called peace resolutions are pretty much from what I call the bohemian proletariat. They are trust fund babies. They have come from MA, NYC, NJ etc. They brought their liberal politics with them. This influx of liberals have moved up into Vermont since the late '60s. Since many do not have to work for a living they need things to do, like get active in the local politics, and have taken it over. I realize that I will get some flak but in the town where I live, about half the population of 2500 do not have to work. The very liberal speaker of the Vermont House is also from my town (go figure). These people are not the true Vermonters.

If people look back in history, Vermont, Maine and NH were the only three states who voted against FDR in the presidential election of 1940, and that was after 8 years of the New Deal! If you dig back farther, the Vermont Brigade had a reputation in the Army of the Potomac similar to the Jackson's Stonewall Brigade. These were the ancestors of our troops, no exaggeration.

So if you take a swipe at Vermont-please do not slight the troops. We are as disgusted with the stupidity and ignorance and anyone with good sense.

Last point, one of our young officers who did a tour in Afghanistan stood up in the town meeting on Tuesday and told the crowd in attendance what he and our troops did there and the good that was being accomplished. He even spoke to what was going on in Iraq and the good being done there and how our guys feel about it. He was given a standing ovation and the town voted down the resolution. I couldn't believe it as it was my town. I guess you could call say it was a good demonstration of information operations.

GreyEagleO6

Sir, I salute you and all the other proud sons and daughters (and parents and others!) of Vermont. Thanks for your service and for taking the time to set the record straight!


Posted by Greyhawk / March 3, 2005 6:04 PM | Permalink

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GreyHawk,

Thanks for your kind words. I also appreciate your efforts and commentary at this site. The possibility of having our troops slighted bothered me and I felt I had to say something on their behalf. They are good soldiers and patriots.

GreyEagleO6

GreyEagleO6,

Sir. After my retirement, I thought my battles were over as well. Three months later, our country was attacked. I am sure you know how when we take the oath to defend the Constitution, it specifically says, "against all enemies, foreign and domestic". But you also know, that unless Posse Comitatus is cited, we (the active duty we) can't truly respond to defend against domestic enemies.

And now that I am retired, that is my job. To defend the Constitution against domestic enemies, since I can't do so against foreign enemies. (It is a younger man's game anyway).

I see domestic enemies in the "trust fund babies" your great state has unfortunately been infested with. I am proud of you and your troops service abroad and at home. I am proud that you choose to defend our country at home with the few legal weapons we are allowed. Your voice and your example. You and your men deserve our thanks and respect. If we can ever assist you in defending the Constitution against these domestic enemies, you must ask. We will do our best to respond.

Thanks for setting us straight on how things are in Vermont, Sir.

Subsunk

Good to hear the truth from the troops.

Sir
I thank you and all the troops as well. My family does indeed sleep safer at night because of your work and sacrifice and courage to do the violence to those who would harm them. For that I am eternally grateful. I am glad the record is set straight as well and my earlier post was never directed at the troops. I stand with Subsunk in a "ready to respond" mode when called on.
With all due respect

Greyeagle,

Thank you for your comments. That's why I come here. I want to know exactly what our troops feel and I want our troops to know exactly how much we support them. The only way for me to stand beside is you is to show my support for you. We who are trying so hard to get the word out that we support you also get frustrated with those who let stupidity and ignorance show. After those who are anti-war get more news coverage then those of us trying to showing there support. God bless you all for your service and your sacrifice and thank you for protecting us and our families.

You will know Vermont is doomed when they enact gun control. I find it ironic that VT has more gun freedom than the 'Live Free or Die' state.

It is a great thing when the soldiers themselves attend the town hall meetings.

The peace activists cannot claim to speak on behalf of the soldiers when one of the soldiers shows up himself to represent his brothers-in-arms. And to defend their just cause.

I look forward to the day when Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine (and maybe - just maybe - someday Delaware and New Jersey?) turn back to their roots and reject the cancerous liberalism...

Greyeagle06;
Welcome home, son, and thanks for your service.
From an old retired Navy CPO in Texas

Greyeagle06;
Welcome home son, and thank you for your service.
from an old retired Navy CPO in Texas

GreyEagle, isn't the real war right here in Vermont? Look at the tyranny...judges being retained by a crooked legislature full of lawyers and imports...the judiciary is full of imports who are imposters...those willing to go along to get along, all working to enslave the People of this good "free" state. Subsunk ought to know that the time IS upon us, the domestic enemy IS HERE but not just the Peaceniks at our town meetings, they have infiltrated our statehouse in our legislature and our judiciary. How long before OUR guns are ripped from OUR hands? Who do we have brave and willing to fight the fight if not for our skilled guardsmen? I'm a mother, a grandmother with son-in-law now in the Reserves--gone over three times already and scheduled for another stint months away--I AM PROUD of all of them but who is here to guard the henhouse? Where is the militia? Do we have a ready militia? Volunteer militiamen (500) in Texas guarding the border will be targetted by an evil gang (it's planned) on April 1st--what then? No national guard to move in on them. The war IS here, the younger men ARE being sent away while we enjoy a false sense of security. Yes, they are doing good things, but what about home? I don't fall into your category of peace activist. I'm a many, many generations Vermonter, proud of my heritage. Of course I would rather live in Peace than at War--the coyote is even slier than the fox and he guards the henhouse--like Justice Doley--watch if he is "forgiven" for his transgressions, then it is all over.


GreyEagle06,

I'm currently serving in Afghanistan and have run into a bunch of the "Green Mountain Boys" serving here with TF Pheonix. I'm glad to see them for many of them I've got a bond with from my college days at the "Military School of the Great White North", more commonly know as Norwich University. Be assured that the men and women of the Vermont Guard are living up to their reputation and taking the fight to the enemy. Not to mention they arrived just in time! It's going to be a bitter winter here in Afghanistan and they'll feel right at home (I kinda feel bad for the Florida Guard troops that are here).

I remember the liberalism of Vermont and how they HATED having a private military college right in the middle of the state. But I did run into many of the native vermonters who were true woodsmen of the north.

James Lynn
CPT,QM
CJTF76
Afghanistan

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[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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The Mudville Gazette is written and produced by Greyhawk, who recently retired from 24 years of active duty in the US military, but will maintain this disclaimer: Unless otherwise credited, the opinions expressed are those of the author, and nothing here is to be taken as representing the official position of or endorsement by the United States Department of Defense or any of its subordinate components.

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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004