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January 27, 2005

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By Greyhawk

Is there a left wing attitude against success for the Iraqi elections? Certainly they won't be celebrating the outcome, regardless of what it may be. Their emotional investment in failure in Iraq is too deep for them to overcome. The problem isn't that they're opposed to peace for Iraq, it's just an aversion to George Bush that overwhelms every aspect of their thinking. Here's a perfect example, from Alternet, of the early (pre-invasion) shaping of leftist thought on Iraq. The title alone, "Bush Wins: The Left's Nightmare Scenario" reveals much. The discussion is of possible outcomes of the invasion:

The first is an optimistic "We Win" scenario, which would result from massive protests and diplomatic pressure forcing President Bush to postpone an invasion indefinitely. (What has yet to be addressed is what exactly we win if Hussein remains indefinitely in power and the sanctions go on killing Iraqis.) With war seemingly imminent, the movement is being forced to fall back on a second scenario, "Everyone Loses," in which the warnings of a protracted and bloody war that destabilizes the Middle East and increases terrorism bear their bitter fruit.

However unpalatable in terms of destroyed lives and infrastructure, this latter scenario would at least quash the Administration's imperial dreams and force the kind of soul searching of United States' policies that is a major goal of the movement. But this outcome is less likely than many assume, and the antiwar movement would be well advised to plan for a third scenario: "Bush Wins."

In this third scenario, the war is over quickly with relatively low U.S. casualties, some sort of mechanism for transitional rule is put in place, and President Bush and his policies gain unprecedented power and prestige. From my recent conversations with organizers and their latest pronouncements, it is clear that this possibility has yet to be addressed. Waiting much longer could spell disaster for the antiwar movement.

The reality is that we're much closer to that third scenario than we are to the second. A simple left wing response would be "sure, Iraq's turning out better than we thought - but look at the domestic situation in the US!" This response would likely have led to John Kerry taking the oath of office last week. But on the left the Bush Hate overwhelms all, and an insistence that the "everyone loses" scenario described above is what's actually happening is the result. At the very least, a willingness to believe everything that conforms to this mode of thought is an undeniable affliction of the left today.

How low can they go? Want to see an example? Here's a left-wing blogger discussing watching a dying child graduate from his son's elementary school:

When it was Lilly's turn, her teacher held the microphone up to her mouth, and she tried to speak her name -- tried desperately. But she couldn't do it. The motor skills just aren't there any more. So her teacher turned to the audience and said it for her:

"This is Lilly, and she's spunky."

Spunky. Goddamn right. Spunkier than I'll ever be -- and I dare say most of you as well.

Spunkier than most of our official war "heros," who go into battle with the full weight of the world's most awesome military machine behind them.

Spunkier than our president, for all his macho posturing and flight desk photo ops.

And certainly spunkier than our neoconservative Beltway warriors -- always eager to send others to fight and die in wars their own children will watch on television.

When your response to a child with cancer is to think how much you hate the president, you have a problem.


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Joe Lieberman offers a glimmer of hope for the future of the Democrats and a continuation of a two-party system in America:

Joseph Lieberman, a Connecticut Democrat who strongly backed the war, urged a "resounding vote" for Rice to show "that we're together for what we're pursuing which is a successful conclusion to our involvement in Iraq and to the spread of freedom and democracy throughout the world."

Daily Kos, the most visited left wing blog in the world, responds:

We could look the other way if Lieberman represented, say, Utah. But does Connecticut truly deserve this neocon? I have a policy of neutrality for primary elections, but would make an exception in this case. I don't doubt that a legitimate primary challenger to Lieberman would garner serious netroot support. And if what I hear is true, there are serious efforts underway to draft such a person.

Eschaton, left wing blog #2, agrees. (And don't miss the comments at Atrios site. The first one says it all.)

Kos and Atrios represent Left Wing Information Toilets - information depositories where the "sewer base" of the Democratic Party feeds - and if the Party doesn't come to it's senses soon and flush that's all the support they'll have.


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To return to the Alternet piece above, credit the author for this line: the antiwar movement would be well advised to plan for a third scenario: "Bush Wins." indeed, but he's out of step with the modern left, whose current motto is as follows: There's no need to plan anything, it's our world and we'll define it as we please. Further, there's really no need for a plan, as there's no one on the left who'd take any action on said plan anyway. If anyone can provide a reasonable version of a left wing plan for anything (something more substantial than Kerry's secret plan to win the war in Iraq) I'd certainly be willing to hear it.


Posted by Greyhawk / January 27, 2005 3:35 PM | Permalink

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This paragraph says it all, don't you think?: "The first is an optimistic 'We Win'" scenario, which would result from massive protests and diplomatic pressure forcing President Bush to postpone an invasion indefinitely. (What has yet to be addressed is what exactly we win if Hussein remains indefinitely in power and the sanctions go on killing Iraqis.)"

In other words: Hussein was only a bad guy because his presence caused us to impose sanctions on him, which killed innocent people. Hello, Tin-foil Wearing Barking Moonbat! IT WAS HUSSEIN WHO WAS KILLING IRAQIS BY THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS BEFORE WE LIBERATED THEM FROM HIM, NOT THE SANCTIONS!!!! When will these lunatics come down to Earth and try to see reality? Never, is my guess. Alas . . .

The Left does have a plan for Iraq, silly! :)

Their plan is as simple as it is brilliant (tic)...their plan is to say whatever the CNN opinion polls say people want, then to wait, then repeat. They'll forever say what they think people want to hear, and when asked "what are you actually DOING?", they'll respond with more poll-based gibberish.

"We're voting against the war while we vote for it"...etc....

Ahh, the brilliance of the Left.

-Jon

You watch, It wont be long before the soldiers coming home are "baby killers" once again. The Leftists are just ichin to throw that down. It will put to rest all the "we support the troops but not the war" bull crap.

I thought Kerry's "secret plan" was that he would have a plan within six months? I'll have to reread the transcripts of the last debate...

The Democrats don't need a plan. Same as with the Cold War, they'll just change the story to fit the new facts. They've pretty much written Reagan right out of the Cold War victory, and any victory in the Middle East will certainly require Bush to get written out, too.

Top Ten Signs that the war in Iraq has been won:

10. They'll stop calling it Bush's War (see also: Bush Economy).

9. The leadership of Syria and Iran will be spending less time supporting insurgents in Iraq and more time firming up their escape routes

8. The main complaint from Iraqis will be about how the government isn't providing enough services.

7. The rest will be complaining about how all the immigrants streaming in from other Arab nations are taking all the jobs.

6. Iraqi environmentalists will be complaining about all those damn oil wells and refineries

5. Iraq will join the U.S. and Israel on the worldwide Left's permanent shitlist of nations, replacing South Africa which dropped off the list a few years back.

4. Any terrorism in Iraq (and it will be perpetual at some level, as with Israel) will be relegated to the back pages of American newspapers alongside terror attacks on Israel.

3. The Iraqi government will be accused of abusing minorities in Iraq, something that nobody cared about when Saddam did it.

2. Inmates in the prisons will be fervently wishing the U.S. still ran the place.

And the number one sign that the war in Iraq is really over:

1. Brahimi, or some other U.N. flack, will win the Nobel Prize for bringing freedom to Iraq.

Jeez, why don't these guys just come out and bash Lieberman because he's Jewish. This "neocon" code word for Jews who support the war on terror is getting ridiculous. Do the lefty bloggers and MSM think they're fooling anyone with the "neocon" codeword for Jews?

Come on now -> why would "the left" have a plan anyway? Did "the Left" go to war? Nope.
The NeoCultists went to war, period. I find it much more interesting and SAFE living in a country like ours, where I can call the president a Dickhead, his wife a clown looking useless fat assed housewife and not end up hanging in some cell somewhere being punished for my outburst and opinion. So Far.
**Your make the war, you better have "the plan."
Not Senator Bob of some wingnut state...
I believe the military has helped to keep things like they are, safe, by having balls. I hope and pray you guys stay on the political sidelines, where you belong.
Col. David Hackworth is an example of the proper military man - toss in your commission when the shit starts to choke you to death! Unless shit sandwiches supplied by the likes of Rumsfeld and Wolfie - are good to go for you.
It's okay if the military sound off in the blogsphere and in your missives home to mom and girlfriends (all the wit and a warrior/hero talk). I know some of you guys are very smart with your War College chops and your add on degrees - MBA degrees for help moving loads of TP to remote areas of operations! My old man had degrees and did that crap for nearly 25 yrs, combat officer, SF VN 3 tours, not a stay-at-the-fort type.
I really do enjoy nothing better than watching a Five Star Air Force ring knocker general do the monkey dance. Nodding his head up and down in agreement - with all stained and the poop dripping off - from having to pull his head out of the ass of the commander-in-chief, in response to tall tales flowing from the "warrior ex-fighter pilot" guardsman (hee hee) in charge of all the troops everywhere! How do the Meyers of the service sleep at night? In a pile, I guess, for warmth and comfort.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004