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January 11, 2005

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Must Read

By Greyhawk

Just go

A great look at the individual initiative and can-do attitude that
exemplifies our best and brightest, but unfortunately the last few
paragraphs seem to be a pointlessly tacked-on bit of Rumsfeld bashing.
The bulk of the story is must read, but the transition to
unadulterated lefty spew is jarring, as you'll likely see for yourself


Posted by Greyhawk / January 11, 2005 3:47 PM | Permalink

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Greyhawk's Right - Just Read from The Commons at Paulie World on January 11, 2005 4:51 PM

Mudville GazetteM Greyhawk links to a New Yorker article that details the emergence of companycommander.org and platoonleader.org, and the slow transformation of spreading lessons learned within the military. As you guys know, I had about forty-five ro... Read More

It talks about how a couple of captains in the Army started some public web sites that are now an invaluable part of officer training and the war in Iraq. Read More

BATTLE LESSONS from Small Town Veteran on January 12, 2005 5:58 AM

Greyhawk says: Read More

Greyhawk says that you must read Battle Lessons and I agree. It is an excellent article about how Army officers are using Internet technology to pass on lessons learned. Read More

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Thanks for digging that up. Very worthwhile read.

So what's new? We've known for generations that the real strength of the US Army is it's adaptability in combat. During my period of active duty (1977-81) we were taught all the little things that aren't in the manuals by returning Vietnam vets. All the online talk about convoy ops in hostile territory could have been answered by my instructors in Transportation Officer Basic Course, who learned the exact same lessons personally in Nam. Today it's the same, only the means of dissemination have changed.

The Army always loses lessons it doesn't immediately use and becomes static in its methods until it encounters something new (or old) on the battlefield. That's when the captains, lieutenants, sergeants and privates throw out the book and find new ways to win. We do that better than anyone else in the world.

I remember two quotes a friend had on his office wall: "The US Army is so good at war because war is chaos, and the US Army operates in chaos on a daily basis" (attributed to a Wehrmacht officer) and "The problem with learning to fight the US Army is that they feel no compunction to read their manuals or follow their doctrine." (Attributed to a Russian officer.)

Note too, that after all this good news on how we're adapting, sharing lessons and learning better ways to fight and survive, the New Yorker writer has to end his article with several paragraphs on how bad things are and how we can't possibly win.

Well, I was about to post something similar to Cap'n Dan. The first of which, my brother being in the Air Force Guard and working his civilian job at AMARC, he has noted several times to me that people in positions above him or with long tenure, tend to look at things in a straight line and operate under these lines regardless of whether they make the most sense or are efficient in producing what was requested. He also notes that certain things are so "regulated" that you may wait for days on end to do something because the people on the other end are doing their part of the job in an excruciatingly regulated way.

Bein a generation X kind of guy, he spoke up on a number of occasions asking why something was a certain way and why it wouldn't be changed.

Here are two simple things that he said nearly caused people to have apoplexy(amarc having a military commander):

1) They had a position of a "scheduler" who's job was actually a glorified data entry position that did not require any thinking what so ever. Their position stayed open for nearly an eternity because they couldn't find a person with a G9 level who was interested in taking the position. He pointed out that this level requirement was ludicrous and paid too much money for the position and it's requirements and asked why they didn't a) change the title to something more suitable and with a more suitable ranking or b0 change the necessary ranking to something lower.

He also pointed out the cost savings of putting this job in the hands of a person that didn't require those advanced skills and would be paid less.

Imagine the response to that?

2) IN his shop, they were preparing for inspections. as the newly appointed lieutenant for this section, he was still responsible for insuring it passed. One of the things that was required by the manual was that certain pieces of the ejection seat (the explosives) be painted with a specific green color. color, mfg and other items specified regarding the paint meant that had to be used. He called up supply. They didn't have any and weren't planning on ordering any because a new order regarding discontinuation of that product had come down and they were waiting for three months for the new orders to be cut.

Since he had imminent inspection, he got the specs and ran to the local paint shop that had the product. But they only had one can, so they gave him another can of the same paint, different manufacturer and then rapidly disposed of the evidence because, if the wrong paint had been found on the premises, he would have been reprimanded.

This is of course only a couple of stories he's told me, but I believe they show the militaries want to regulate everything and insist on following those regulations even if materials and circumstances don't allow. Thus washing out the soldiers' ability to think.

Grayhawk - This was a very interesting article, thanks for the link.

Remember TQM and Quality Circle jerks?
do something
talk about what you did right
talkabout what you did wrong
do it again better

as much as we hated the messenger ... DR. Demming... it works

That was... interesting. I printed it out for my "history of the world" binder.

I'm not sure what to think. On the one hand, I'd probably have been expecting a disaster just as much as the author if I were watching that scene, live, as he was. On the other hand, I'm not surprised that the officer chose to take a posture of submission in order to get his people out. What made that possible, though, is the exact sort of un-thinking obedience that the author seems to see as a besetting sin of Army organization. The officer said "Take a knee," and his men did.

He says, "My questions barely made sense to Hughes." and "Hughes made it sound obvious, but..." and the author goes into a researched defence of his belief that the Army stifles creative thought, rather than examine if perhaps his questions didn't make sense to Hughes because they didn't make sense.

There's some good stuff about innovation and communication. Is it rightly attributed to Gen-X attitudes toward authority? Enlisted asking Rumsfield about armor is used as corroborating evidence, so... maybe, maybe not.

The snippets of conversation is the absolute best. I'll remember the juxtaposition of Jolly Ranchers forever.

Still, the author seems to see the innovation of officers in Iraq as some sort of Pandoras box leading logically to his mention of officers reading subversive literature and then back again to soldiers turning off the violence "like a good hunting dog" repeating the mindless obedience meme.

But hey, I've never been in the Army. What do I know?

Great read. It's refreshing to see the military adapting well and disseminating information at internet speed. This will ultimately transform the DoD and make this country even better.

Well, it was a great read until you get to this:

"No matter how clever its captains and lieutenants are becoming in the face of the insurgency, the Army may never be able to declare victory in Iraq. Thirty years after the fall of Saigon, the military finds itself thrust into another war with limited public support, insufficient resources, and a murky definition of success."

Then it becomes another quagmire story. They should have ended it before this paragraph. But, then what can you expect from one of the most liberal mags in the country.

To add to my earlier comment, only somebody under 40 would see this as a gen-Xer phenomenon. As I said, the same thing happens with each generation of American soldiers as they enter their own war and find the current doctrine too restricting or flat wrong - they throw out the book and find their own way to win. Same as it ever was.....

Ha! That's why the gen-X thing struck me as wrong. I'm 40. ;-)

Seriously, though, the author needed to find some explination of why the Army wasn't behaving the way he knows that the Army behaves.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004