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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! December 10, 2004 Up Your Armor IIBy GreyhawkGreetings from Iraq! First off to the millions of you who are concerned, rest assured, as I write this, my personal armor is within arm's reach. Yesterday we noted this general truism: "The U.S. military has always been perfectly trained and equipped to win the last war". And the specific Murphy's law that shows why it doesn't matter anyway: "No plan survives first contact with the enemy." And the relationship of these to the "armor" issue, through this third fact that overwhelms them both: "So for now, at least, enough of a shred of American "can-do" attitude and perseverance survives to ensure that the truism stated above remains only a minor inconvenience." Today I find Steve Hayward illustrating the concept in The Corner:
But of course that's different, somehow... Then here's another comment from the same Tennessee Guard unit as the young Specialist who quizzed the Secretary of Defense, as quoted by the very reporter who fed him that question:
Scrounging is a time honored military tradition. You're not handed everything you need, and certainly nowhere near everything you want. (And with time comes additional needs - see Murphy's law). Overcoming shortages can be characterized as ingenuity on the part of the individual or failure on the part of the government. Sound familiar? Certainly the military doesn't have propriety of the concept. There is an element of the victimization in the current lefty portrayal of this issue. People shouldn't have to do what the government should do for them! Small wonder that entitlement is the page they've chosen from their rather limited playbook on this one. Having noted all that, I say without hesitation or qualification that yes, the government should do everything possible to assure as much protective gear gets to those of us in harm's way as is possible. Along with lethal offensive gear that tends to reduce threat too. Oh, and food, clothing, fuel, spare parts, communications systems, mail... But I digress. Let's stick with armor for a moment. It's one of the issues that has seen phenomenal improvement over the past couple of years. Anyone recall seeing pictures of troops in body armor prior to OIF? Not likely - it wasn't in widespread use. Likewise a second "defensive" area of rapid progress has been medical care. Combat units include "combat lifesavers", all troops get training in "self aid and buddy care", fully trained medics are near by and near-state-of-the-art facilities are found increasingly closer to the battlefields. Larger facilities are available in theater, airlift is readily available, and a system exists to get those who need it to Landstuhl Medical Center in Germany or stateside hospitals in rapid time - sometimes measured in hours rather than days. Good old American ingenuity in action! And what has this "can-do attitude and American Know how" brought us, on the battlefield and in the media? The combination of improved personal armor and medical care has resulted in a greater percentage of survivors of wounds, as the Washington Post notes in a story headlined U.S. Combat Fatality Rate Lowest Ever: There's an unfortunate tradeoff, however: But the remarkable lifesaving rate has come at the enormous cost of creating a generation of severely wounded young veterans and a severe shortage of military surgeons, wrote Atul Gawande, a surgeon at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.But witness the "no win" situation that some in the press engineer, as evidenced in the Boston Globe's treatment of the same story:
Bottom line: for some the only thing worse than troops in danger for lack of armor is troops who survived because of armor. Guess we'll just have to pack up and go home. Posted by Greyhawk / December 10, 2004 5:12 PM | Permalink 4 TrackBacksI haven't done one of these in a long time. Life has a way of intruding... Caltechgirl, at Not Exactly Rocket Science, talks a bit about giving, in a Star Wars kinda way... The King of Fools links to some... Read More Some soldier perspective on the question posed to Sec. Rumsfeld the other day: Deskmerc Greyhawk + follow-up A Line in the Sand 2Slick + follow-up And from my favorite reservist: Sarah, I've started writing about armor on vehicles quite a... Read More In the wake of the Read More Much has been made in the MSM about a question that a young dupe trooper asked Donald Rumsfeld about getting more uparmored Humvees into the thjeater of operations. Greyhawk has a good take on it from the perspective of one... Read More 9 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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Let me back up the writer who spoke of troops in Vietnam scrounging to armor their vehicles. I was a US Army Transportation Corps officer in the late '70s. The folks that trained us were all Vietnam vets. We were trained on M151 Jeeps, M35 2.5 ton trucks, and 5 ton trucks with S&P trailers. None were armored, nor were there any plans to add armor to them for normal operations. We were trained for Europe, with long haul across Europe behind the lines our expected mode of use. The Vietnam vets told us of the lengths they went to to protect these vehicles in convoys. It was standard to put layers of sandbags in the cabin and bed to protect against landmines. In fact, some units would build a 5-ton with heavy sandbag loads protecting the driver, and have it proceed a convoy as a moving mine detector. With the heavy shielding, the driver's injuries would usually be minor if a mine was encountered, nothing compared to what a loaded troop truck would sustain. Adding locally-scrounged steel plate to the sides of vehicles for small-arms protection was also common. Since the greatest danger was ambush and not IEDs, a great deal of inventiveness went into arming convoy vehicles. 2.5-ton trucks were built into convoy protection vehicles with the addition of makeshift armor, sandbags, and multiple 7.62mm and .50 caliber machine guns. (See the US Army Transportation Museum website on hardened convoys: http://www.transchool.eustis.army.mil/Museum/GTHardened.htm for pictures of the most famous example - the "Eve of Destruction"). I also recall hearing of 2.5-tons with WWII "Duster" quad .50 cal antiaircraft mounts on the back. There's a final, cautionary tale, of the troop who mounted a row of claymore mines on the outside of his deuce-and-a-half on both sides of the bed. He routed the wires into the cab to a set of clackers (firing triggers) mounted on the dash. Looked like a good idea, but when he salvo-fired all the claymores on one side, the blast knocked the truck over on its side. So much for that idea...
So while the Army should do (and, from what I've read, is doing) the best it can to get armored Humvees to the troops, there's a long tradition of the troops making what they need. I'd wager that even the armored Humvees are getting local mods to make them better.
Dan H.
Here's another page from the TC museum site, with multiple pics of Vietnam Guntrucks:
http://www.transchool.eustis.army.mil/Museum/GTPicturesNew.htm#Assassin
Right now I'm watching the whole armored humvee saga play out. I have a special place in my gut for this one since when I served in Iraq my unit had to create our own impromptu armor out of heavy metal plates with drop down swing doors. Since the non armored humvee has a smaller engine it really slowed us down and made it harder to get out of danger areas as fast. And guess where a bunch of nice new armored humvees were sitting? On bases in Bosnia and Kosovo, where many never even left the base let alone encountered a riot.....
Want to help troops out that dont have what they need. Buy them kevlar blankets and cell phone jammers to block the signal used to set of roadside bombs (i remember one guy who taped down remote control car remotes on the dash)
http://www.omarmasry.net
Thanks Cap’n Dan, great stuff. By the way, latest directives forbid all unofficial writing on vehicles in Iraq, to include tank guns. Another great tradition dies on the altar of political correctness.
Amputation rates double that of the Civil War! Amazing.
Hey I get a kick out of this debate.
Over at Camp Liberty tons of 1114s are collecting dust with pogue outfits. That's a big problem over here. My unit should have armored a lot more vehicles hill billy style, but when everyone else in the Brigade was armoring, we were running zero ranges in Kuwait!
I got a big kick out this story-because it's alot like a debate a friend of mine - errr person had with me before we entered Fallujah. He called the assault, after the election-politically timed and advocated going in around October 20.
I sort of lost it, obviously he was timing things politically and didn't care if we bombed the insurgents first. Well as an 11Bravo, I love air support. I didn't go to Fallujah, but stayed around Baghdad and I don't talk to him much anymore.
Max
When it comes to MSM, not only is their glass half empty, but what's in it is vinegar.
Is there any statistics on the number of lives saved or injuries prevented by the huge increases of armor that exsists now in the field?
Perspective is a wonderful thing.
Having seen first hand the use of guntrucks from DaNang to Khe Sanh as a gunner and ncoic on a armored guntruck, I believe in thier presence both as a defensive and deteriant weapon. In my unit (57 Trans. Co. -Nam Nomads) the only KIA's we suffered were guncrew members. This included the Lam Son 719 operation where we ran night convoys to Khe Sanh.