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 Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! November 2, 2004 Cross your fingersBySome left-leaning Californians say they would rather leave the United States -- and go to Canada or elsewhere -- than stay with George W. Bush as president. I hope to say good riddance! Update: Flynt: 'I'll flee if Bush wins' "If Bush is re-elected - but I don't want to even consider the thought for one second - I really have to think about living somewhere else," Flynt said early Monday in a strip club on the Champs Elysees in Paris where he was celebrating his 62nd birthday Oh please be true, let's bring some self respect back to America. I'm tired of America being called the porn capitol of the world.
 Posted by / November 2, 2004 11:07 AM | Permalink 1 TrackBackJust, you know... Go away: ''For someone like me, if this happens, I can't in good conscience allow myself to support another Bush government, even benignly. And a lot of other people are saying the same. ''I have a good... Read More 13 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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We can only hope for a mass exodus of the "bonoboes," as they evacuate onto crowded Canadian relief ships in Santa Monica Bay and Boston Harbor. We can also look forward to spandex clad crowds of "esthetically enhanced" refugees being coptered off of the roof tops of tanning salons, holistic health centers and Starbucks stores throughout the greater Seattle and SF Bay area.
Bye-bye. Write if you find work.
San Francisco would be such a cool city if all of the moonbats JUST LEFT!
I've got some frequent flyer miles I'd be more than happy to donate to THAT cause.
I have heard that so many times. I remember back in middle school hearing some kid saying, "My dad said, 'If [so and so] wins, we're moving to Canada.'" I have yet to see it happen. However, if someone is honestly willing to leave the country, I will gladly help foot the bill. Please leave your passport with me, however.
Considering how hard the Screen Actor's Guild is trying to put Canadian actors out of American movies/television shows, I don't think Canada will be too thrilled to accept the Hollywood leftist elites.
Personally, I think that American actors earn *way* too much money (athletes, too) and that competition from Canada is a healthy thing for the television/film industry.
I'm all for people working hard to make money, but actors (for the most part) are faces--the real work/magic is performed behind the scenes by grossly underpaid crews.
It's 10:10 PM PST and I think I see the bonoboe's ships waiting at the quay and hear the rumble of evacuation copters over the Sunset Strip.
How do you ask an American to be the last one to leave the country???????
When will they go? How many of them will go? Will we finally get rid of Cher once and for all? Will Susan Saranden follow her?
Please, please,please,pleasepleaseplease!
A quick background on myself so you can have a sense of context for my statements. I am what you folks would call a "liberalsocialist." I have a college degree from a traditionally liberal school (an Ivy League, at that). However, I also served 8 years in the US Army as a Combat Engineer, which included 2 tours of Bosnia, and would be in Iraq right now if not for fairly recent knee surgery.
Now, that said, I take offense at your callous disregard and blatant contempt for those who disagree with you politcally. Isn't that a"conservative's" call-to-arms? "Fighting for your freedom?" It would seem to me that quite a few conservatives actually think it should be "fighting for your freedom to agree with my particular views."
My family is extremely religious, conservative and republican (I think you would all get along very nicely), yet they and I can have spirited political discussions without wishing one or the other out of the country. I voted for Kerry. I felt that on *most* issues, not all, he had a better plan. I felt that Bush believed in his convictions much more than did Kerry. I just think they are wrong. And I, Greyhawk, and my cousin in the 25th ID who's currently in Iraq, all fought for my right to think, say and vote that way. And for your right to disagree.
One might say that to belittle my views is as unpatriotic as you might accuse me of being. Personally I don't think that's the case, I just think people get too caught up in an only-one-way-is-the-right-way line of thinking.
Bush won. And also garnered a mojority of the popular vote (the first time a Pres. has done that since 1988). The people have spoken. Congratulations. In a moment of hyperbole someone, somwhere, just said "I'm moving to Canada." Also, you might have said, in a fit of anger over something your friend had done, "I'll kill him/her." Neither statement is made with honest conviction. So cut people slack for being upset that their candidate lost. And try not to be so judgmental. Thanks.
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Josh,
My callous disregard and blatant contempt for those who disagree with me politcally?? I think you've got it backwards. They were stating their choice not mine. I think if they want to leave this fine country because they disagree w/ the Presidents views is pretty contemptable. So Yes I'll say Good riddance. When hollywood lefty's grow a brain and some morals, maybe I'll give a damn. And I could care less what party Flynt is with, his leaving can only be could for America.
Josh, I think you're missing the point. I'm not saying that these people *have* to leave, but I am (strongly) suggesting that they follow through on their not-so-rash words.
Unlike a mumbled "I'm gonna kill him," usually referring to child/sibling/friend/parent/whatever and basically meaningless, these statements were made publicly and with full knowledge that their words would be taken down and held against them.
I was raised in the military, have worked for the military my entire career (as a civilian for 25+ years), and am about to marry a military officer. I know all about what it means to fight for freedom and what it means to support those who are fighting--to be one of those left behind, taking care of business, so that those we care about can do they job they were sent out to do.
I am exceedingly unnerved by people who take freedom, liberty, etc. and spit upon it regularly. People who insist that free speech means that only their opinion should be heard. People who think nothing of those of us who happen to work for a living even though we (basically) pay their salaries. These people desperately need to live in a foreign country, preferably a Third World country, for at least four years so that they can see that America, despite it's faults, is the best d*mn nation on this planet. If after four years they don't feel that way, they can stay where they are because I'm tired of listening to them complain, and whine, and criticize without making any effort to be part of the solution.
There is a difference, Josh. A big difference.
Mrs. Greyhawk-
First of all, I was referring to the collective "you", as that is a sentiment that I hear regularly. Second, I made the point, and you also previously noted, that people who say "I'm leaving", never do. It's called hyperbole, much like the example I gave of you getting mad at, say, your child, or your friend and saying "I'll kill you." You don't mean it, you just say it in a fit of frustration or anger. Thirdly, "Hollywood lefty's?" That's a bit of a blanket statement, especially considering a Hollywood type was voted governor of the largest state in the union. Oh, and he's a Republican, if I recall correctly. Referring to a group of people with a blanket statement... "Colored people just don't have the mental accumen to be given positions of authority." That's an offensive statement. But yes, there are definitely people of color who don't have what it takes. Just as there are white people who I wouldn't trust to walk my dog to the end of the block and back.
Why is it "good riddance" to someone who disagrees with you or the President? Isn't discourse what moves our country forward? The exchange of ideas? "When [they] grow a brain and some morals?" Again, You're making blanket statements about a large group of people many of whom probably are very educated and intelligent. Morals? It's morally wrong for some people to date someone who has another skin color. Does that make it morally wrong for everyone?
If you want to rant on about individuals, feel free. But remember that you are including some very intelligent, "morally upright" people in your stereotypes.
ps. I'd vote for McCain or Ah-nold in a heartbeat. So where do I fall in your view of "liberalsocialists?"
Lornkanaga said:
"I'm tired of listening to them complain, and whine, and criticize without making any effort to be part of the solution."
Also, you mentioned that they made their statements with full knowledge that they would be recorded. "Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES." People say things all the time on the record with full knowledge that it can't or won't happen. Bush and Kerry both said they will balance the budget in 4 years. Everyone and their uncle knows that it's not possible.
And as far as being part of the solution - I'm assuming you didn't want Gore in 2000 so went out and voted. Isn't that being part of the solution, being part of the process of change? Not everyone is cut out to be a politician (though, God help us, all the wrong people think they are). Celebrities use the spotlight to make their voices heard. I don't agree with all of them, very few in actuality, but so what? How is it any different from your neighbor telling you that they think Kerry is a sell-out? The celebrity just has a bigger microphone (the media). They don't affect you, aside from maybe annoying you a bit, do they?