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 Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! October 31, 2004 The Empty ThroneBy GreyhawkThe following is Kerry's latest position on Iraq, as he explained it to Tom Brokaw this past week. Something I saw reminded me of this today: Brokaw: This week you've been very critical of the president because of the missing explosives in Iraq.The fact is, senator, we still don't know what happened to those explosives. How many for sure that were there. Who might have gotten away with them? Is it unfair to the president, just as you believe he's been unfair to you, to blame him for that? As I said, I was reminded of that incoherent ramble today, when I saw this: 
A very necessarily empty throne in Baghdad. It's not that hard to understand, is it? 
Posted by Greyhawk / October 31, 2004 5:48 PM | Permalink 15 TrackBacksMudville Gazette has a wonderful post, its conclusion is made with one photo, it makes me happy with my decision, Read More Here's another reason to vote for Bush (via Mudville Gazette): Because this throne in Iraq is empty now. This wouldn't be true had John Kerry been president.... Read More ... Read More It was upon this throne that Saddam Hussein most wanted to sit. But he was no threat to anybody, oh no. No threat at... Read More I am glad.... Read More Mudville Gazzette... Read More I will be at the Notre Dame Grotto sometime tomorrow. If you would like me to light a candle in your name for President Bush, leave me.... Read More Got a bunch of irons in the fire right now so posting will be a bit light today and tomorrow. For postings, check out my blogroll in the right margin. I will leave you with one excerpt from J. F.... Read More Aren't you glad it's empty? Read More Greyhawk, who I believe is still blogging from the front in Iraq, has the details, and a memorable empty throne (via Lileks, who has some as-always-worth-reading thoughts of his own on how Kerry plans to find bin Laden).... Read More Reason looks at the twilight of the liberal hawks:Thus, in late 2002 and early 2003, we found such luminaries as Christopher Hitchens, Paul Berman, Thomas Friedman, Fred Kaplan, Kenneth Pollack, Fareed Zakaria, Jeff Jarvis, Andrew Sullivan, Michael Ign... Read More ELECTION EVE UPDATE: This is my final update to this post, which you may or may not find to be a useful resource. May the best man win. Well, I’ve more or less said my piece about who I’m supporting... Read More At the start of the year, I had an idea to try to put together a FAQ list regarding a lot of the arguments I was hearing concerning the Iraq War... the statements about the lack of WMD, for instance, Read More I just finished laying and grouting the tiles in a room in our basement. They look pretty good. I might even post a pic or something. Seems that Saddam Hussein liked tile work, too. Check out the tiles here. You... Read More conkram Read More 72 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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Somebody, somewhere, must have a gallery of Saddam Hussein 'throne photos'. How powerful would such a thing be?
Or, maybe you might have just founded a photographic genre, Greyhawk, I haven't seen an idea communicated so essentially in a long time.
Yes.
Here is a different angle but with the same conclusion:
http://www.jessicaswell.com/MT/archives/001713.html
As most Liberals would say:
"It's good that Saddam Hussein is out of power, but...."
They just don't get it.
Thanks for a great post that explains it perfectly.
Good work!
Oh yeah!
Right on target!
Too bad we didn't also empty out Osama Bin Ladin's cave. Remember OBL? The man who *actually* attacked us? Or have you, like Mr. Bush, forgotten all about him? I don't have a problem with having gone to war post-9/11, but how about a little focus? Pfft.
Very nice. This also reminded me that the media, along with never playing Sept. 11th footage anymore, never plays the footage of Saddam's statues being pulled down anymore.
Thanks for that wonderful parrotting of Kerry's lies, Amy.
Amy-
I have 1 word for you...
multitasking....what can't walk and chew gum at the same time? In your words...Pfft....
Yes, Amy, no problem. And I am sure when Japan attacked us, we should have only fought them. Leave those pesky Germans alone. After all they never attacked us.
Iraq attacked (recently, 2000-2003) our ally, Israel. Iraq had a terror organization, in place. Iraq had called for terror attack on Americans. Saddam was killing his own people at a rate of 100 a day. Saddam was profiting from sanctions, and bribing UN officals.
Did you look at the picture above the 'throne'? Do you really think that he would not have made it come true if he could?
Even Kerry admits (just today for goodness sake) that he too would have gone to war with Iraq. Only he would have waited a bit longer.
We know he would not have been able to get the bribed French, German, or Russian to join us. Kerry know it too. He just pretends not to care.
Read that line again:
Kerry admits that he too would have gone to war with Iraq.
If you are convinced otyherwise then you don't see that, then Kerry has you conviced that he can have it both ways.
Amy,
Have you forgotten the terrorists that HAVE been captured or killed in Iraq. I guess they all just happened to be in the neighborhood when we invaded? I guess Sadaam's payoffs to terrorists who killed Israelis wasn't proof that he supported terrorism?
Wow, it's amazing how ignorant some people are.
Well, you have to remember: people like Amy were gloating that we hadn't caught Saddam yet. Until December of last year...
Makes me wonder what the cry will be when Osama is captured or his remains are identified.
Nicelt illistrated! Amy is a Liberal, and you must understand what happens in the mind of a Liberal. Liberalism is a deadly desease, as we all can see by watching this desease in action throughout Europe. Liberals say they are peaceful "anti-war" people, but spread hatred through the media and idols such as Michael Moore, Soros, Woopy, ect... Look at media outlets in Europe such as the Guardian, and you will see hatred driping off the pages posted by the Liberal left arm. Go to moveon.org and you will see hatred dripping from the monitor as you view the home page. Liberals believe that France and Germany are still our allies. No way, as they haven't been our allies for many years now. Our real allies in the year 2004 are never talked about by the left wing media in American, because Liberalism is a desease and only allows these people to see into the tunnel. Only a desease would allow a fair minded person to believe that OBL was the Terrorist and once removed the threat posed by Terrorism would go away from America. The rest of the world believes that Terrorism is a global threat, with thousands of leaders, in hundreds of countries, with so many heads, it can play hide and seek forever unless we have a leader such as Geroge W. Bush, who will hold anybody or any country that sponsors Terrorism accountable and cut the heads of the beast wherever they are found. You can't expect people like Amy to understand and comprehend this reality, as she is inflicted by a very powerful and deadly desease!
I've sat on that throne. Here are a few of my pictures:
http://phases.blogdrive.com/galleries?g=01
Check em out if you like.
I certainly wish I could believe that even Kerry (the ultimate pacifist) would have went to war with Sadaam. Sadly, I'm a pessimist. I think Kerry would NEVER have attacked Sadaam. Furthermore, I think Kerry will pull out of Iraq prematurely.
Amy- here's a free clue.
Kerry voted for the war. He thought it was ok to go to war with Iraq too.
Or do you have him confused for Howard Dean?
People like Amy are what is wrong with liberals and anti-war moonbats the world over. They care not for the outcome of the actions they call for but in the act of resistance itself. This 'moral' stand they appear to take is for one person only, themselves. Often you will find these people dissatisfied with their lives and suffer from low self-esteem that only attention of the kind they bring on themselves through their 'selfless' act of taking what they see as the superior moral high-ground. They have not thought their actions through as they care not for the outcome as long as they feel good doing it.
Amy, get a hobby or something that does not include the misery of others to boost your flagging ego.
Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
Amy ... have you been reading just the headlines again? .... or did you read the whole pile of crap (If it comes from the MSM) ...... Obviously, you have been indoctrinated ..... so sad :-(
Lovely. Point out an inadequacy in someone's logic, and get flamed for it in posts and get nasty email (and I quote: "It must suck to be you, Amy. You dumb bitch." wow. I'm so upset! *rolls eyes*).
Now, would anyone care to actually address the point I made? Oh wait, I forgot - you can't!
LOL
Have a lovely day. I shan't return, so you all needn't flame further.
a.
Everyone addressed your "point." You're apparently too stupid to understand.
"Now, would anyone care to actually address the point I made?"
Ok well it's like this....
"Have a lovely day. I shan't return, so you all needn't flame further."
Oh I see, well I guess I won't waste my breath educating you then. Run away little girl.
Many liberals think removing Sadam was bad! JFK has said both before and again after saying it was a good idea that it was *not* a good idea. Because it was a bad idea he voted against the funding for arms for the troops. This picture will be proof to them that the war is wrong! Its the old glass .5 full vs .5 empty deal.
Rod Stanton
Cerritos, Cal
Amy didn't have a point, or at least she didn't make it clear what had her panties in a wad. So I will fill it in. The point, not the panties.
No OBL in Chains. Amy belongs to the cult of personalty. She cannot understand that Oshama is a religous nutbag as are the rest of our enemies. They listen to allah and only allah. A cult of death, not personalty.
Kerry would not have caught Oshama either. He slipped over the border to Pakistan. It would have been war to go and get him. That would have turned our most valuable ally into a nuclear armed enemy. One day the assassins will get Mashariff (sp?) and Pakistan will then be our enemy. That is when we go after Oshama, hammer and tong. You think we got problems now, wait till every raghead with a donkey has his own nuke.
Just goes to prove my theory ... the LLL's favorite expression is ...... SO THERE!
--Have a lovely day. I shan't return, so you all needn't flame further.--
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
I had never seen that mural.
My God.
The madman's dream was to launch a nuclear strike.
He wanted to destroy half the world just so he could rule what was left of it.
America and Israel would have been the first countries targeted.
Just wait 'til you see his other twelve bathrooms!!
When American soldiers are dying in combat, there is no shame in suggesting that a course of action, though essentially good, could have been carried out in a much more intelligent and less burdensome manner. I support Iraqi Freedom; I will vote for Kerry. Is there some contradiction? Sure. Kerry has been nearly incoherent in forging his position on the issue, but Bush has been demonstrably incompetent. I would betray my support of our efforts in Iraq more by voting for Mr. Bush.
If Bush is incompetent, then so were FDR/Truman/Eisenhower/MacArthur.
For people like John Kerry, there is "always" one more negotiation we can try before going to war ... if for no other reason, because they can use it to paint themselves as today's Ghandi.
Unfortunately, they too often end up looking like Chamberlain, instead.
Amy liked the pretty colors in the big picture, and would like a gold chair too. Mike, Kerry has proven himself both incoherent and incompetent. Didn't you even read his own words from the interview ? That man represents a grave danger to the United States.
Let's see, the last time we went to work with the assistance of our glorious allies, we had to leave Saddam on his throne.
Remember the Gulf War? That was the price we had to pay so that the Saudis would give us access to their country and airspace.
That decision ended up getting a lot of Kurds killed. The Marsh Arabs lost their way of live. Thousands of Iraqis died, and we spent god knows how many millions running air interdiction over Iraq for the next 12 years.
Oh yes, that allowed Kofi to set up his humanitarian Oil for Food program that routed billions of dollars into the coffers of criminals and terrorist groups alike.
Anyone still think that kind of coalition building worked?
I have been back to this picture four times today. It still gives me chills.
And it sure makes me glad that I took the time to find out why I hadn't got my absentee ballot yet. And then got it. And then sent it back.
Excellent post.
Kerry says: "We'd have gone to war with allies in a way that the American people weren't carrying the burden."
Ponder that for a second. Kerry is saying that he'll be smart enough and persuasive enough and just downright Presidential enough to get other countries to fight a war that the United States wants to be fought. And he criticizes President Bush for 'out-sourcing' the Tora Bora battle? He would out-source entire wars! He's invented the concept of 'war without war'!
But, of course, what he'd really produce for us is 'peace without peace'
What a piece of work the guy is.
Incompetence is cureable.
Incoherence is not.
Remember that George Bush is a peacemaker. A peacemaker takes the battle to the enemy. A pacifist (liberal) sits back and does nothing but "negotiate".
Candidate wrong war, wrong time has strengthened the will of the very terrorists we are fighting thereby putting all in more danger. All his pathetic posturing about serving this country when his 'tour' lasted a mere 4 1/2 months is sickening. I pray to God that there are enough of us voting to keep this danger to America out of office.
Gotta love Amy's last post:
"Have a lovely day. I shan't return, so you all needn't flame further."
Guess she took her little green football and went home!
I guess shooting at our pilots for a dozen years while they were enforcing Useless Nations resolutions doesn't qualify as attacking us.
"But we support the troops!"
God help us. Please don't let these people take power tomorrow.
Kill 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out!
USA! USA!
Kerry is a "Monday morning quarterback" in the words of President Bush on the Iraq war. It is so easy to criticize and he still hasn't explained how he would conduct the war except for utilizing more allies. Of course, he won't get specific so all he is doing is complaining. The rule is always provide a solution to a problem, otherwise you're just a big whiner.
Ah! So the foe had *pictures* of WMDs. This changes everything, and I will of course reconsider my vote. Many thanks for bringing this to light.
Just after our invasion of Iraq, I remember
seeing a photo of two soldiers walking in front of a mural of the twin towers on fire. I haven't
been able to find it since. Can you help?
To the Mike that posted this:
"Kerry has been nearly incoherent in forging his position on the issue, but Bush has been demonstrably incompetent. I would betray my support of our efforts in Iraq more by voting for Mr. Bush."
Please watch Stolen Honor at:
http://www.stolenhonor.com/
After watching it, please tell me if you still believe the same way.
R.A.H., this what you were looking for?
http://www.spiritoftruth.org/911mural.htm
Having served for six months in Iraq, and having seen this throne, there is one more bit of information worth mentioning. The mural shown is on the west wall of the palace so that makes missiles westbound. Take a guess in what country their terminal points lie.
Since Amy won't be back (wink, wink, Amy) it is still important others consider what all the world (with the possible exception of France) was saying before the Iraqi war. Everyone thought Sadam had WMDs so today's 'Monday morning quarterbacking only confuses ones like Amy. I am not sure why they aren't happy to see milliions not live under a threat like Saddam, for me it is enough that they have hope of enjoying freedom like Amy. Though they most likely will know how they came about to enjoy it and not have it lost in their history to be ignored.
God Bless George W. Bush
Please. Elevate the discourse.
Ya' know, the missles in that image only go a few hundred miles. So your imagery dosen't fly very far either.
A friend pointed me to an article by Raymond S. Kraft that does a nice job of illustrating why the war in Iraq is necessary. I think you'll enjoy it:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244632/posts
Amy spewed:
"Too bad we didn't also empty out Osama Bin Ladin's cave."
Yeah, it is too bad. Do you have any clue what such a accomplishment entails? We didn't get Hitler out of his bunker, either.
"Remember OBL? The man who *actually* attacked us?"
Do you realize this is a war on TERRORISM, not just as retribution for 9/11?
"Or have you, like Mr. Bush, forgotten all about him?"
I guess that's why we still have operations on the Afghan/Pakistani border, ya' think?"
I don't have a problem with having gone to war post-9/11, but how about a little focus? Pfft."
Do you have even the slightest clue what you're blathering about? Before inserting both feet in your mouth you should do a little research outside the MSM and academia. I'd suggest reading Tommy Franks "American Soldier" for a summary of how such opertions work (outside the Hollyweird scripts).
Oh, I'm sorry; liberalism says you're entitled to your opinion and asking that your actually use even an ounce of intellect in deriving that opinion is racist and suppression.
Try thinking between your ears, rather than between your legs, for a change.
Greyrat,
I'm impressed with your knowledge of the specifications of enemy missiles. What is the designator for the missiles pictured? What are the possible types of warheads these vehicles are capable of delivering? Assuming it's true that these missiles are limited by the distance you prescribe, how many innocent civilians are within "a few hundred miles" of Iraq? Does a leader that sits on a throne in front of an image of a sky full of missiles represent peace or terror?
I think the imagery flies pretty far.
Jeff wrote:
"I'm impressed with your knowledge of the specifications of enemy missiles. What is the designator for the missiles pictured? What are the possible types of warheads these vehicles are capable of delivering?"
Jeff,
Do you get the idea that most of the left's understanding of military operations comes from watching movies? Or their notions of intelligence from James Bond movies?
Or their entire world wiew for that matter...
Amy puked:
Lovely. Point out an inadequacy in someone's logic, and get flamed for it in posts and get nasty email (and I quote: "It must suck to be you, Amy. You dumb bitch." wow. I'm so upset! *rolls eyes*).
Now, would anyone care to actually address the point I made? Oh wait, I forgot - you can't!
LOL
Have a lovely day. I shan't return, so you all needn't flame further.
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But we need to flame your dense, cement lined cerebral cavity.
No, you shan't return because your idiotic MSM/DU BS doesn;t fly here like it does on the left's normally captive audience (like schools...).
Mike farted:
"When American soldiers are dying in combat, there is no shame in suggesting that a course of action, though essentially good, could have been carried out in a much more intelligent and less burdensome manner. "
Such as, what maybe??
So easy to sit on the sidelines with your treasonable candidate....
Well, I still haven't forgiven Dennis Eckersley for throwing that 1-2 fastball in the 87 Series...
Man, the more the left shoots off their mouths, the more they drive people into the Bush camp.
Oh my God! This completely changes my mind about John Kerry! Before i'd seen this picture it had never even occurred to me that Saddam Hussein might be a really bad guy bent on destroying the West. Whew! Boy, i'm really glad now that President Bush lied to us so that he could get support for the war, because i can't imagine what a more dangerous place the world would be if it weren't for the peaceful island of democracy that we've established in the middle east.
If you'd like to make my day, please flame me for spouting half-truths in order to support my liberal "convictions". That stuff is absolutely hilarious, and we get a real kick out of it at the office.
One last thing before lunch is over:
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson071604.htm
And Kerry things Hollyweird is the bastion of American culture? The left needs some reality, not movies, to generate working PLANS. Kerry couldn't plan a circle-jerk!
OK, Amy, so Saddam didnt attack us. What would you call the firing of hundreds SAMs and uncountable AA rounds at our planes while patrolling over the (UN created no less!) no-fly zones over northern and southern Iraq?
To the mike that wrote:
'If you'd like to make my day, please flame me for spouting half-truths in order to support my liberal "convictions".'
You're right. The act of flaming people does little to support the credibility of the people doing the flaming, and the valid points that they may have. I do not intend to flame anyone, but would like to provide some additional food for thought.
Please understand that the President of the United States (not just Bush, but any President) is privy to information that only a select few in the intelligence/military sector have access to. Like it, or not, "need to know" is for the protection of the citizens of the United States. If the information is made available to the public, then the enemy is aware of the information.
President Bush said that he had reason to believe, based on intelligence reports provided to him, that Iraq was in possesion of WMD. Senator John Kerry voted for the threat of force, based on this same information. It does absolutely no good to threaten force if you don't plan to use it when your threat isn't responded to.
If you're saying President Bush lied by not providing all classified information to the public, then you need to know that all government officials (Democrat or Republican) with access to classified information "lie" for our protection. If you're saying that he lied by claiming that there were WMD in Iraq, and you think there weren't, then please look at this possibility: Could there have been WMD in Iraq that were transported out of Iraq before or during the war? Supposedly, there were 380 tons of plastic explosives that were on a military installation in Iraq and suddenly disappeared. Also, what are the possible military uses of 380 tons of plastic explosives (in a country where known terrorists were captured)?
Sigh. Mike, try and focus with me. Bush....did....not.....lie. Say it out loud. Think about it. Repeat as necessary. And the next time you go to the doctor you might want to have him look at that nasty case of moonbat pox you seem to have developed.
Mike ... who lied about stockpiles of WMD?
http://casebolt.blogspot.com/2004/10/before-you-punch-that-chad.html
Without complying with your knee-jerk instinct to label anyone who questions Bush a far-left crazy (a reaction which has been faithfully taught by this administration), think about what one would want in a president.
-someone who will face up to both successes and potential mistakes, and rationally analyze what needs to be done to make our country secure today and well into the future
-someone who will represent our country in a respectful, intelligent way to the rest of the world, because as we saw, when an atrocity like what happened on Sept. 11th occurs, the international community will support victims (us). We need a president who will utilize the goodwill afforded America, not one who will distance us from the rest of the world while tinkering with important civil rights policy
-someone who will preserve the quality of our environment for years to come
-someone who will look out for the economic well-being of more than his richest constiuents (his cronies or no)
-someone who has the mentality to lead the country, to deal with effectively with international threats while developing alliances, not alienating other countries with a misguided "us vs. them" mentality when "us" just waged a war (and, make no mistake, continues to wage a full-fledged WAR in Iraq) with no coherent exit strategy and no plans to change strategy based on past failures. Remember, like Bush has said in numerous interviews, he hasn't made any mistakes as President. Making mistakes isn't an indictment of one's character, but refusing to admit mistakes made, especially when your refusals cost more American lives, is traitorous at the bare minimum.
There is NO WAY that the scared little boy that is George W. Bush can come close to claming any of these abilities. Vote your conscience and allow our country to flourish in the next four years.
Kenny,
Does John Kerry have any of the abilities you seek in a President?
After his "success" in Vietnam, he returned to the United States and slandered the rest of our troops that were fighting (or had died in battle) in Vietnam. He said they were war criminals, and provided propaganda for North Vietnam to use against POW's. He cost more lives, by encouraging the North Vietnam government. Isn't that "traitorous at the bare minimun"?
Also, as part of his anti-war demonstration (in effort to gain attention) he threw medals over the White House fence -- The medals he threw over the fence weren't even his medals. His excuse was that he "didn't have them with him". I also find it strange that he wore ribbons on the outside of his fatigues, during his demonstrations, for two reasons: Ribbons are not part of a combat uniform (fatigues or BDU's); and if he was so ashamed of the medals he earned that he would (supposedly) throw them over the White House fence, why did he wear the ribbons that represent those medals?
Further, if you are looking for someone who will look out for the "economic well-being of more than his richest constiuents", then it's not Kerry. While he blames President Bush for increased Medicare premiums, the increase was actually the result of a law that he (Senator John Kerry) voted for in 1997.
It seems to me that all Kerry has done is propagate lies and blame President Bush for anything and everything that is going wrong in the world, today.
In the midst of a very heated campaign you expect either candidate to "admit mistakes" to be spun to death by the other? Hmmmph.
Benefit cronies? A partisan lie.
Mental capacity? A pretty good case has been made for a Bush IQ greater than Kerry's, a charge publicly made to Kerry with which he did not argue. But, he did let slip that his military records were hidden. Why is that?
Face up to successes and potential mistakes? The strategy is there. The communication of it has not been well done. (skipping the "face up to success" awkwardness.)
Aw, why bother with this? It's been done.
By the way, way back in this thread, to the question of whether the glass is half full or half empty, the answer is "It depends." What was the intent? Not enough information to formulate an answer.
Speaking of thrones...
Did the Butcher of Bagdad have a gold plated toilet? Also, please note, "Amy" is a typical close-minded person: "don't confuse me with another opinion now, I might have the liberal bubble broken!"
Amy most certainly does have a point. Unfortunately, it's on top of her head.
Mind boggling; how in the world can you believe anything that comes from this administration. From their "election" in 2000 to their dogged denial of anything going badly under their watch, they have ducked, dodged, prevaricated and outright lied. Wake up, folks. There were no "weapons of mass destruction", Saddam had nothing to do with the terrorists of 9/11 and Bush has failed to make anyone safer. On the contrary, Osama is alive and well and producing videos, Halliburton is under investigation and no one in this "administration" has been taken to task for all of it's failures. God help us if this goes another four years...are we going for six trillion in debt or more massive high income tax deductions? Wake up, folks...
Rey -- wake up, and read this to see who was the real liar about WMD:
http://casebolt.blogspot.com/2004/10/before-you-punch-that-chad.html
Mark Davis (on WBAP-AM in Dallas) said it best -- three years after 911, and the best Osama can throw at us is a VHS tape?
IT IS ELECTION DAY OOOPS NO IT IS 1;00 am so
it is really the next day - waiting for final
results.
They are saying that Florida and Ohio has
Bush - is this for real? How long do we stay
up and see if this is a dream?
Grayhawk and Mrs. you are in our prayers and we
will see you soon in our backyard and will drink
some beers to the victory - Bush and Grayhawk
have SURVIVED!! Forever XXXX OOOO
Leanne, It ain't over til it's over. You guys must get some sleep. I think you can rest easy, though. Love and miss you.
Well, I think that I lost a friend since Kerry lost the election. Yes - he is conceding.
I called my friend last night and she stated that she could not talk to me on election night.
We have always spoken about issues before - I hate to label ourselves, but we do have differing opinions and views.
She has stated that when interpreting the Osama video that Muslims (I understand this does not apply to all) brought down Russia and that they would bring down the USA. That this began with 9/11 and he will continue to attack financial targets and bankrupt as well. I stated that I did not agree with this theory - we are not comparing apples to apples - Russia to America?
My husband and I agree - didn't Ronald Reagan
and Star Wars help to bankrupt Russia?
Well, I have prided myself in not labeling - Republican, Christian, etc. and thought I could discuss this issue with respect for all, but when I very respectfully disagreed then all dialogue had to stop.
Can't we keep our values, but as Rodney King stated - Can't we all get along?