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October 6, 2004

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America: 402, Rangel: 2

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The Cocco kids are safer tonight, thanks to house Republicans, who destroyed Democrat Charles Rangel's bid to weaken the military by adding conscripts to the ranks. Rangel's bill to reinstate the draft was demolished, 402-2:

"We're going to put a nail in that coffin," said the House majority leader, Representative Tom DeLay of Texas. He accused Democrats of generating opposition to President Bush - especially on college campuses - by raising the idea that the draft might be re-established after the November election to provide troops for service in Iraq

I'll be sleeping easier in my tent tonight, thanks. But the Dems were quick to condemn the Republicans for exposing their fraud:

Democrats were outraged at the tactic, charging Republicans with a cynical political ploy on a matter that merited more thoughtful hearings and debate. The Democrats originally introduced the measure early last year as a way to protest the war, even before it began, and to spotlight how low- and middle-income Americans shoulder much of the burden of serving in the military.

Actually, patriotic Americans quite willingly shoulder that responsibility with pride - the above paragraph is just another example of the NY Times (and others) complete inability to comprehend the core strength of the all-volunteer force, and that's not a topic to debate.

But the next paragraph in the story offers the ultimate in deranged sputtering, combining delusional comments from the bill's sonsor with what had to be one of the most agonizing lines ever sweated by an editor in the Times:

"It is a prostitution of the legislative process to take a serious issue and use it for political purposes on the eve of the election just to say they are against the draft," said Representative Charles B. Rangel, Democrat of New York, the author of the bill, who ended up voting against it.

If anyone can provide a rational translation of that paragraph please do so in comments. Like dialogue in a Jerry Lweis film, it's too ridiculous to ridicule.

But shortly after, the Times story returns to "real journalism" by claiming three non-related anti-war talking points are crucial draft facts:

Some Democrats said it was the administration's loss of credibility due to the failure to find chemical and biological weapons in Iraq and its mishandling of the aftermath that was to blame for worry about the draft. "The president's foreign policy is scaring the kids of this country," said Representative Tim Ryan, Democrat of Ohio.

A quick search of the story finds that Bush stealing the election in 2000 was not mentioned - a massive failure on the part of the usually sharper Times staff.

Honestly, they may have been trying to balance the Republican talking points which were included in the story, and that was just the best the opposition could do. But sometimes a simple "not available for comment" works best, especially in response to statements like these:

"The reason we are doing this is to expose the hoax of the year, which has been needlessly scaring young people," said Representative Duncan Hunter of California, chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

Administration officials including Mr. Bush and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld have said they have absolutely no plans to restore the draft and believe that the all-volunteer military is the proper way to field troops. Both of them have reiterated that position in recent days.

"We will not have a draft so long as I'm the president of the United States," Mr. Bush said to applause from a crowd in Iowa on Monday.

"We do not need a draft," Mr. Rumsfeld said during a radio interview with Sean Hannity. "We've got, you know, 295 million people in this country and we have an active force of about 1.4 million and we are having no trouble at all attracting and retaining the people that we need to serve in the Armed Forces."

But instead of "no comment" we get this (attention South Dakota voters):

Senate officials said they had no intention of acting on a similar proposal, but the Democratic leader, Senator Tom Daschle, said he doubted the House vote would put the matter to rest.

"I would expect you're going to continue to see debates about the viability of a draft as we move forward," Mr. Daschle said.

Yea, okay. Bring. It. On.


Posted by / October 6, 2004 8:14 PM | Permalink

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I wonder who the two rat bastards who voted FOR the measure were...

Here's how I would translate Charlie Rangel's comment:

"I had created a perfectly good club which the Democratic Party was beating the Republicans over the head with, and those right wing meanies took it away from us!"

I do believe the...er...Honorable Mr. Rangel's done been hoisted on his own petard.

"Mr. Rumsfeld said during a radio interview with Sean Hannity. "We've got, you know, 295 million people in this country and we have an active force of about 1.4 million and we are having no trouble at all attracting and retaining the people that we need to serve in the Armed Forces"

So I guess they can lift the stop-loss order and stop calling up members of the inactive reserve . . .

Wow, he voted against his own sponsorship.

Ok, if the constituents in his district wanted this, which would be the precursor to his introduction and sponsorship, did they change their minds and now are against it?

I bet almost no one in his voter pool ever called to ask him to initiate a bill for a draft, which means he did it merely for the propaganda value.

Does Charles realize he just got to be the staked goat for the wolf pack? I guess he's taking one for john-john...that, in the darkness, makes me smile...:)

Yeah - this was one of the more cynical political ploys by the Dems. Rangel drafted this POS as a dead-letter talking point last year and let it rot - and then the Democratic machine noticed it and said: Lookie lookie! A DRAFT BILL! Sitting in Congress just waiting to be signed by Bushitler so he can send you to get your head chopped off in Iraq! After all, a million spams sent to every college student in America can't be wrong.

Hugh Hewitt is right - the Dems as we know them must be destroyed...

Republicans are pretty much for war, as long as somebody else is fighting them. Their Draft-Dodger-in-Chief embodies that philosophy. Most of the comments, of course, assume that were there to be a draft, it would be full of the same loop-holes that existed during Vietnam, i.e. allowing many, like Dick Cheney, to pursue deferrments and avoid duty. Then their is the back-handed critique that, once the privileged class have successfully been removed from the war, only the inferior were left to be drafted, thus undermining the military's war-fighting ability. A modern draft would probably not be so full of loop-holes for the elite draft dodgers, and that is probably the real reason Republicans would be against a draft.

Ghost Dansing,
My husband is a Republican, it's obvious by this forum and he's down range fighting on his own volition.
He was not called upon, He VOLUNTEERED.

It was a Republican, Nixon, who abolished the draft in 1973.

"Republicans are pretty much for war, as long as somebody else is fighting them" Excuse me?

There is currently 101 House of Represntives who served in the military
56 Republicans 45 Democrats
http://grunt.space.swri.edu/housevet.htm

There is is currently 36 in the Senate who served in the military
19 Republican 16 Democrats and 1 Indp.
http://grunt.space.swri.edu/senatevet.htm

There are 9 Govenors who have served in the military
6 Republican and 3 Democrats
http://grunt.space.swri.edu/stategov.htm

I don't think these men had others doing their fighting.

What's your record like?

The 2 votes in favor of this bill were both cast by Democrats: Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha and California Rep. Pete Stark.

As Frank J. had ol'Rep. Rangel say "Who better to represent the well-nigh retarded than me?"

Charlie is a cynical NY POS. His timing is totally suspect. Did anyone else notice no one has picked up on Kerry's National service plan, he mentioned it last night in the debate, probably by mistake, since in effect it IS a draft.

I really hate the DNC and what they've done to American politics, despicable.

Bush in '04

[Another pissed-off Vietnam vet for W]

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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
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December 2004