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August 27, 2004

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By Greyhawk

From the Washington Post

Despite Kerry's courting, veterans say they trust President Bush more than Kerry as commander in chief, 56 percent to 38 percent, according to a report released yesterday by the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey.

But don't be quick to blame the Swift vets.

In interviews this week, local veterans said their opinion of John Kerry -- for better or for worse -- was forged long ago and has not been affected by ads accusing Kerry of lying about his wartime record.

As may have been mentioned here before, none of this is new to veterans, who are now mounting a furious campaign to overcome claims made about them from the Senate floor in 1971 and from the Fleet Center in 2004.

But of course, you'll have to scroll past the claims of the campaign spokesman to the final paragraphs of the story to find quotes like these:

Christopher E. Braun, a veteran and real estate executive in Herndon, said he is "still a little funny about Kerry's antiwar stance following his return. I don't like how he turned his back on vets when he came back. But that's not the reason why I'm not voting for him."

Unfortunately the Post declined to print Mr Braun's reason.

But for Jim Grummons, a Korean War veteran and commander of VFW Post 7327 in Springfield, Kerry's "downfall was in going against the Vietnam War. He went with Hanoi Jane, and that ticked a lot of veterans off."

Other Vietnam veterans cited Kerry's testimony in 1971 before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he listed war crimes and atrocities that he said were committed by U.S. troops in Vietnam. It is Kerry's testimony that is the subject of the latest advertisement by the swift boat veterans.

"He should have never gone there," said Desi Arnaiz, a leader of Vietnam Veterans of America Battlefield Lodge 617 in Woodbridge. "I was not a baby killer: I didn't rape. I didn't do any of that stuff."

But the real question is, can the Swift vets convince enough American voters of that claim?


Posted by Greyhawk / August 27, 2004 11:08 AM | Permalink

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GreyHawk:

With all due respect, I don't think that is the responsibility of the SBVT. I think it is the duty of all veterans who believe that John Kerry is truly "unfit for command" to give warning to the country's electorate.

Mac Owen's article here explains it:

http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/owens/04/swiftvets2.html

For me, this election boils down to these questions:

1) Whether knowing what you know today Kerry's VN service in its totality is positive evidence that he is more qualified to be Commander In Chief of the United States Military than the current commander in chief?

2.) Whether Kerry's testimony before the Senate in April 1971 evidences a philosphy that should be followed in the current war on islamic radicalism in general, and the Iraq situation in particular?

Kerry has demonstrated by his acceptance speech that he and his party believe the American voter should consider his VN experience as a plus and demonstrates (they believe conclusively) his fitness for the position of commander in chief.

Kerry and his supporters also have made clear that they are proud of his antiwar activities, and that the philosophy espoused in those espouse qualify him to lead this country in these perilous times.

The SBVT on the other hand have argued that Kerry is unfit for command, for two essential reasons:

First, they submit that his Vietnam experience, properly evaluated in context is no better than a neutral and may very well be a minus when evaluated by those who were there with him. I believe that at the least it has been clearly demonstrated that his reputation among his peers in his four months of service was not so great as to qualify him as commander in chief.

Second, they submit that his activities after he returned to the US in 1970-1972, while still a commissioned officer, show he is unfit to be the leader of this country post 9/11 because he in essence slandered an entire generation of service men, and duplicated the propaganda messages the Peoples Republic of Vietnam was promulgating at the time.

while their reasons are now being subjected to scrutiny on this and other blogs, they are substantive and because of them, burden of proof remains on Kerry to show that he is fit to be president. He is not meeting that burden.

As a veteran who served in Vietnam from 1967-1968, I believe it to be my duty to inform my fellow citizens why my answers to both questions stated above are a resounding "no".

I am a Sam Nunn Democrat from Georgia who has supported many democrats for president. My last contributions were to Denise Majette for Congress in 2002. But I do not believe this candidate has demonstrated why the country should make a change to his leadership.

I am now going to organize a broad based 527 organization of Vietnam Veterans (and other Veterans as well) who believe as strongly as I do that Sen. Kerry has not met his burden to demonstrate his capacity to replace the current commander in chief.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004