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August 21, 2004

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Kerry AWOL?

By Greyhawk

We first noted a glitch in John Kerry's service records some time back (last February) and now Tom MacGuire says there was no gap.

We know the press loves to pore over Drill records in minute detail, so we'll eagerly await the release of full details of Kerry's duty status at the time he was meeting with representatives of the government of North Vietnam.

Oh - and certainly they'll make sure he had no missed Drill periods, right? Even when he was in France?

I mean, AWOL is the real big deal right?

More here.

Update: This indicates that Kerry was a member of the Navy Reserves from January 70 to July 72, when he tranferred to inactive reserve status.

Where are the Drill records? I'm sure they are available.

Now, I'd like to ask Smash about this, but he's not blogging because he's doing his annual reserve training - that two-week-a-year thing that Navy Reservists do even if they were in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Anyone else out there?

Update 2: Commenter Bill points out the famous 1986 'update' to Kerry's records tells a different story - the word "inactive" has been appended to the Navy Reserve status (eyes glazing over...). That explains everything. Must just be a case of sloppy record keeping. Who'd have thought?

So recap: Accordng to the '86 record, Kerry was Reserve (inactive) while meeting the North Vietnamese delegation and testifying against his comrades, then later became an inactive Standby Reservist. Got it? Good.

Update 3: US Navy Vietnam veteran (non-combat, he points out) John Moore, proprietor of the blog Useful Fools, offers additional insight in the comments:

I blogged about this last spring when the 1970-1972 gap disappeared when he released some of his service records.

When I left active duty, I was assigned to Naval Air Reserve (Active status). I don't know how he got the inactive status. Later, after a day with 3 aircraft fires (2 in flight), I decided I wanted to continue consuming oxygen, so I went to personnel and changed to what I guess was Regular Reserve ( Inactive Status ). A year later, I got a registered letter ordering me back to active status, but when they found out I was a Vietnam Veteran, they cancelled the orders.

In any case, a reservist is only subject to UCMJ while on reserve training (and a few uninteresting special cases).

So Kerry's meeting with the enemy was just part of ordinary treason (punishable by death) rather than military treason (punishable by death).

Update 4: This document from the Kerry collection provides useful insight. It spells out very carefully the responsibilities the young future Senator had as an inactive Reservist, and clarifies the distinction between the two categories of service (Ready Reserve - Inactive and Standby Reserve - Inactive):

1. "Legislation enacted by Congress has stressed the importance of ensuring that members of the Ready Reserve will be available immediately for active service in the event of war or national emergency. You should appreciate that such a concept is a prerequisite to an expeditious and effective mobilization if the need arises.

<...>

3. "Members of the Ready Reserve may be ordered to active duty in the event of war or national emergency proclaimed by the President. Members of the Standby Reserve - Inactive may be ordered to active duty only in the event of war or national emergency declared by Congress."

Clearly Senator Kerry is quite proud of his service as an Inactive Reservist - he's posted these documents on his web site, after all, and numerous biographical pieces include the information. And apparently he understood the responsibilities.

And as a Senator for two decades he could certainly have changed the program, or at least tried, if he had any fault with it.

All of which leads to the question: why is he so opposed to an actual execution of the option, having repeatedly referred to it as a "backdoor draft"?

"And we must end the stop-loss and involuntary recall of troops that amounts to nothing more than a back-door draft." He most recently told the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

It must be one of those "subtle nuances" that most of us are too stupid to understand.


Posted by Greyhawk / August 21, 2004 8:00 PM | Permalink

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Greyhawk sez:
" mean, AWOL is the real big deal right?"

Apparently, only if your name is George W. Bush.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for the press to poke into this one. I'll be depending on you Bloggers. :)

Will nobody fill out an FOIA to get these JFK reserve records!?!?!?!?!?!

PLEASE!?!?!?!?!?

I bet he made the time up it up when he met with the North Vietnamese "peace" negotiaters in Paris. He was still in USN Reserve, right? So he must have been ordered there, don't you think? And on official business, wasn't he? I mean, he was representing the US wasn't he? He wouldn't possibly have had the effrontery and arrogance to meet with high representatives of an enemy nation without having been directly ordered would he? I mean, really, to do that would be almost treasonous, and that's just not possible with Lt. (jg) Kerry, USNR.

Besides, I think he could also have made up for any missed drill if he got credit for any amount of time the NVA interrogators would have used his picture or Senate testimony to humiliate or mentally torture American POWs.You know, sort of like how movie stars in WWII got service credit for bond drives? He was USNR when he made the remarks, and the number of occasions and the amount of time the NVA used his testimony had to have been WAY more than any time he missed on drill. So I think he's administratively pure on having met all his obligations, just like any honorable American reservist. Don't you?

In May of 1986 Kerry asked for a history of his service

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Request_For_History_of_Service.pdf

which shows the 1970 to 1972 period as as being in the Naval Reserve (inactive) and the period from 1972 to 1978 as being in the Standby Reserve (inactive).

If I'm not mistaken, Kerry was subject to the Uniform Code of Military (UCMJ) until his Navy Reserve obligation ended in 1978.

Specifically, he would have been under UCMJ jurisdiction during any inactive-duty training period to include weekend drills and 2-week Annual Training.

If he missed a drill without permission then he most certainly would have been subject to ARTICLE 86 - Absence Without Leave.

And if he was doing his anti-war stuff during any of the inactive-duty training periods, he very possibly would have been subject to:

ARTICLE 88 - Contempt Toward Officials
ARTICLE 92 - Failure To Obey Order or Regulation
ARTICLE 104 - Aiding The Enemy
ARTICLE 107 - False Statements
ARTICLE 117 - Provoking Speeches or Gestures
ARTICLE 133 - Conduct Unbecoming Of An Officer And A Gentleman

A couple of these articles make AWOL minor in comparison. For example, someone found guilty under ARTICLE 104 can be put to death.

Pretty grave is that thing called the UCMJ.

To put it in today's context, what would we want done with a military officer (Active or Reserve) who aided al Qaeda or the Egyptian Islamic Jihad?

Either way you cut it, subject to the UCMJ or not, what John Kerry did was despicable and caused damage to the United States Of America.

daniel,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html

From Instapundit, a story that will be in tomorrow's Washington Post contains the following quote:

"A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

So apparently someone made the FOIA request, and couldn't get the information without Kerry's permission. This is consistent with what I know of the Privacy Act rules governing the release of a service member's personal info.

I blogged about this last spring when the 1970-1972 gap disappeared when he released some of his service records.

When I left active duty, I was assigned to Naval Air Reserve (Active status). I don't know how he got the inactive status. Later, after a day with 3 aircraft fires (2 in flight), I decided I wanted to continue consuming oxygen, so I went to personnel and changed to what I guess was Regular Reserve ( Inactive Status ). A year later, I got a registered letter ordering me back to active status, but when they found out I was a Vietnam Veteran, they cancelled the orders.

In any case, a reservist is only subject to UCMJ while on reserve training (and a few uninteresting special cases).

So Kerry's meeting with the enemy was just part of ordinary treason (punishable by death) rather than military treason (punishable by death).

By the way, if you read his web site today, you wouldn't have any idea that his serviced extended past 1970. The last entries are weasel worded.

He has been through a whole bunch of variations of his military biography as more information has become available.

In any case, the SOB needs to pay for what he did between 1970 and 1972.

I cannot imagine having that puke as president.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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  • John Moore (Useful Fools Blog): I blogged about this last spring when the 1970-1972 gap read more
  • SDN: daniel, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html From Instapundit, a story that will be in read more
  • MerryMadMonk: If I'm not mistaken, Kerry was subject to the Uniform read more
  • Bill: In May of 1986 Kerry asked for a history of read more
  • Jumbo: I bet he made the time up it up when read more
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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004