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August 15, 2004

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Kerrey for President?

By Greyhawk

Note the spelling.

Bob Kerrey, John McCain, George Bush and I have something in common. We're all veterans who didn't serve with John Kerry or his Swift boat contemporaries. What we have to say on their issues matters little compared to the comments of those who were there.

Rather than call on George Bush to condemn Kerry's fellow Swift vets, wouldn't we be better served by Kerry's release of all his military records? Really, rather than choosing sides, how about demanding the facts?

And though not a Vietnam veteran I agree completely with this sentiment from the column:

And as a Vietnam veteran myself, I do hope that one of our own will make it all the way to the White House before I die.

Because it resonates so well with this quote from the Swift vets:

We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a Democrat or a Republican.

And although I'm inclined to vote against the very specific fellow veteran the Swifts describe all too well, I too would like to see the incarnation of Bob Kerrey's "one of our own". A guy I could count on for consistency and clarity, a guy who would stick to the mission until it's end.

Maybe in 2008?

Update:

"The former Navy personnel who are attempting to discredit Sen. John Kerry's record of service in Vietnam are doing so to argue that he is unqualified to be commander in chief. Most appear to be angry with him on account of his opposition to the Vietnam War, not his service in it. They have done a better job of damaging the reputation of the U.S. Navy than they have of damaging John Kerry."
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Informal poll: which of these books does the best job of damaging the reputation of the Navy? Which does the most damage to John Kerry?

I say the one on the left is the answer to both, but I confess haven't yet read the one on the right.

Update 2: Scott O'Grady appears to be angry with Kerry on account of his opposition to the Vietnam War, not his service in it too. He damages the reputation of the U.S. Air Force here:

Scott O'Grady, the Air Force pilot who captured headlines in 1995 when he survived being shot down over Bosnia, on Friday said Sen. John Kerry committed "treason" during the Vietnam War.

O'Grady, in an appearance with other military veterans coordinated by President Bush's re-election campaign, said Kerry helped push North Vietnam's proposals for the United States to withdraw at a time when the two countries were still officially at war.

"I see that as treason," said O'Grady, who lives in Texas and has been speaking at veterans events for Bush around the country. He's now retired from the military.

A Bush campaign spokeswoman, Tracey Schmitt, said O'Grady's views were his own.

"The Bush-Cheney campaign does not and has not ever questioned John Kerry's patriotism," Schmitt said.

O'Grady said he was referring to Kerry's 1971 appearance before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In response to a question about how he proposed to end the war, Kerry mentioned that he was involved in peace talks in Paris.

"I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government," Kerry told the panel, according to a transcript.

A U.S. law prohibits citizens from negotiating with foreign governments on matters such as peace treaties.

(Via Jen Martinez).


Posted by Greyhawk / August 15, 2004 6:47 PM | Permalink

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I contend there was not a Vietnam 'War' - rather, there was a Vietnam 'Theatre' in World War III ('Cold War'). And a Korean 'Theatre'. As well as campaigns in Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Berlin Airlift, Grenada, and others (even the abortive Bay of Pigs). President Bush served in one of those theatres - flying Delta Daggers to intercept Soviet probes against our defences. Not 'safe' duty - 30% of those airframes crashed during their service life. Not unimportant duty - the risk of nuclear confrontation was there if ever a probe was NOT met appropriately. Kudos to Kerry and all the other Vietnam vets, but ALSO to every other man and woman who served to defend the US in that WAR ('Cold', not just Vietnam).
Do you know what those two little triangles on your AM radio dial mean? Do you remember periodic drills in elementary school where you filed calmly into inside hallways? In 1966 it was NOT all about Vietnam.

Amen Glenmore. I played the first 5 innings of the Korean war, but I don't think my service gave me a franchise on discussion of natural defense.

National defense, damn it!

He knows how terrible it is to follow someone who is lost -- morally and politically as well as geographically.

Kerrey's a comedian, or empathizing with Kerry's shipmates?

More on what Liberals think.

FOLLOWING IS POST FROM FROM THE TOP LIBERAL BLOG. I'D INVITE MY CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS TO POST HERE AND THERE TO COUNTER THE SIMPLISTIC FOOLISHNESS OF THE LOW IQ "INTELLECTUALS" OF THE LEFT:

Good morning, everybody (you too, Mrs. A.)

This is a good thread to post this. Have any of you seen it?

What Is Conservatism and What Is Wrong with It?

It's wonderfully to the point. Here's the beginning:

Liberals in the United States have been losing political debates to conservatives for a quarter century. In order to start winning again, liberals must answer two simple questions: what is conservatism, and what is wrong with it? As it happens, the answers to these questions are also simple:

Q: What is conservatism? A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.

Q: What is wrong with conservatism? A: Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world.

These ideas are not new. Indeed they were common sense until recently. Nowadays, though, most of the people who call themselves "conservatives" have little notion of what conservatism even is...

http://pep.typepad.com/public_enquiry_project/2004/08/more_on_what_li_1.html


More on what Liberals think.

FOLLOWING IS POST FROM FROM THE TOP LIBERAL BLOG. I'D INVITE MY CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS TO POST HERE AND THERE TO COUNTER THE SIMPLISTIC FOOLISHNESS OF THE LOW IQ "INTELLECTUALS" OF THE LEFT:

Good morning, everybody (you too, Mrs. A.)

This is a good thread to post this. Have any of you seen it?

What Is Conservatism and What Is Wrong with It?

It's wonderfully to the point. Here's the beginning:

Liberals in the United States have been losing political debates to conservatives for a quarter century. In order to start winning again, liberals must answer two simple questions: what is conservatism, and what is wrong with it? As it happens, the answers to these questions are also simple:

Q: What is conservatism? A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.

Q: What is wrong with conservatism? A: Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world.

These ideas are not new. Indeed they were common sense until recently. Nowadays, though, most of the people who call themselves "conservatives" have little notion of what conservatism even is...

http://pep.typepad.com/public_enquiry_project/2004/08/more_on_what_li_1.html


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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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The Mudville Gazette is written and produced by Greyhawk, who recently retired from 24 years of active duty in the US military, but will maintain this disclaimer: Unless otherwise credited, the opinions expressed are those of the author, and nothing here is to be taken as representing the official position of or endorsement by the United States Department of Defense or any of its subordinate components.

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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004