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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! May 28, 2005 Moore ProblemsBy GreyhawkNote: Originally from July, 2004, this post is intended to increase awareness of those who would use the sacrifice of heroes for their own personal gain. Few have profitted more from the death of American troops than Mike Moore. Fewer still have made more money from the Iraq war. Last week brought this report: The family of U.S. Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone was shocked to learn that video footage of the major's Arlington National Cemetery burial was included by Michael Moore in his movie "Fahrenheit 9/11." This week we hear from those who can voice their own opposition to being used by the Iraq war's largest profiteer: Afew days after Michael Moore's blockbuster documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in theaters, a friend approached Roy Mitchell with a strange look on his face. Here's what Moore used: In a brief film clip taken from an interview he did with the British television network Channel 4 in February, Mitchell appears in the physical-training room of Walter Reed, where he shared the following words about wounded soldiers: Fortunately, SSG Mitchell is available to set the record straight. Mitchell does not deny making the remarks. But he vehemently objects to filmmaker Moore's using them - without his knowledge - in a film he thinks undermines the military's mission in Iraq and Afghanistan, where he risked his life. And other troops have bit parts in Moore's delusion too: Apparently, Mitchell is not the only soldier to make an unwitting appearance in the movie, which is on the verge of earning $100 million at the box office. To say the least. Meanwhile, this report from Amy Ridenour's National Center Blog brings additional outrage, but offers a cure: Army Spc. Joe Roche has perhaps the harshest words yet for Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, describing its impact on the morale of our troops deployed overseas as "devastating." Which certainly sounds like the appropriate response. People don't like being lied to. This is the one fundamental truth that Moore realizes and exploits; by convincing his (often eager) audience that they are victims of lies he can then exploit their rage at that victimhood. Have pity on them, they are suffering from Veritas Torquere, aka Moore's Disease. The simple cure for Moore's Disease is to show the truth to those who may be temporarily afflicted (note: truth will have no effect on the willingly deceived) and as increasing numbers of Moore's victims speak out there will be increasing mounds of evidence to use against him. And therein lies the double edge sword of Mike Moore's twisting of reality; people don't like discovering they've been lied to. They will likely be torqued off, if you will. And you should know where to find that cure, because the disease is coming soon to an AAFES (Army and Air Force Exchange Service) theater on a military installation near you, too. AAFES won?t let a little controversy get in the way of acquiring copies of Michael Moore?s new documentary, ?Fahrenheit 9/11,? a spokesman said Monday. Free speech, even for Michael Moore, compliments of the US military. Update: Moore from Smash and Blackfive Update: Moore Truth, compliments of Toni in the comments section: Australian artist and filmmaker George Gittoes has objected to American Michael Moore's use of some of his work in the controversial movie Fahrenheit 9/11. Ouch. (Original post 2004-07-27 20:16:50) Posted by Greyhawk / May 28, 2005 8:16 PM | Permalink 3 TrackBacksI just watched Ben Afflect say that parts of Fahrenheit 9/11 were "specious". Greyhawk has a great post about a soldier's reaction to Michael Moore's use of his statement in F911. I believe that Moore, not Ashcroft, will go down Read More MICHAEL MOORE will screen Fahrenheit 9/11 in Crawford, Texas Wednesday night, and has invited President Bush to view the film.... Read More Ray Bradbury was only the first person to have his copyright shit on by Michael Moore -- brought to you by Greyhawk.... Read More 6 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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You might also want to check out this story about MM taking film footage:
Australian artist and filmmaker George Gittoes has objected to American Michael Moore's use of some of his work in the controversial movie Fahrenheit 9/11.
Mr Gittoes said today Mr Moore had incorporated about 17 selections from his own documentary film Soundtrack to War into Fahrenheit 9/11.
They depicted American soldiers and their music in Iraq.
"I was concerned of course for my soldiers because their interviews were taken out of context," Mr Gittoes told the Nine Network.
This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/27/1090693936198.html
Isn't permission required to use others' work? Isn't Gittoes' film covered by copyright? Shouldn't Moore have had to get releases (or the equivalent) from individuals like SSG Mitchell? And it certainly appears that Maj. Stone's family wasn't asked for permission to use the video of his funeral.
What am I missing here?
A film anti Moore is in the making. I think all who were in the film without permission should join in one massive class action suit for using images, interview etc. without permission. Getting films takn in hospitals generally reqires permission from anyone involved. Sue networks if they shared their footage with him to cut and paste to distort comments without presenting the full interview in context. I wish I were a lawyer, I would volunteer.
Amen Pat!!
Since kidnapping and torture (like USMC boot camp at Parris Island) are probably not realistic options for Mr. Moore, it would bring an immense sense of justice if these soldiers are able to sue his a** off!!!! And that would take a lot of doing, there's so much of it.......
A reporter at the convention today told Moore that some people have said that they would like to see him dead. He acted all hurt and shocked in a subsequent interview. Geez, it looked like he was going to cry. Like something like him would actually have tear ducts.
Hurt? Yeah, whatever.
I'm not a "lawsuit-happy" person, but that certainly seems to be the way to go for those whom unwittingly found themselves in or misrepresented by the movie! I've had to sign "talent release forms" for much smaller ventures than an internationally released false documentary! Share the wealth, Mr. Moore...or will someone have to make a movie called ,"Michael and Me" about having to chase you down to find out why you hurt these people?