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May 9, 2004

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Another Piece

By Greyhawk

The New York Times takes us a step closer to "The Whole Truth"

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

That would be William Lawson, Ivan Fredericks uncle, explaining why his family decided the international media would give his boy a better shot at a fair trial than the US Army would.

The connection between Frederick and the 60 Minutes crew is apparently retired colonel David Hackworth:

Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

What took you so long? He might have asked.

The Times story of course, doesn't speculate how the photos (none of which show Frederick involved in any torture) made it to CBS for airing immediately following Frederick's article 32 hearing. But here's a new timeline:

Jan: Frederick apprehended, begins a journal and starts sending letters and emails home detailing events he claims occurred the previous fall at Abu Ghraib.

March: His family contacts Hackworth.

We'll fill in missing pieces later.

Military-turned-journalist Hackworth seems the likely channel between Frederick, 60 minutes, and the Hersh/Myers My-Lai dream team.

Hat tip: Commenter "old maltese" and Tim Blair.

Update, added thought for discussion: Put yourself in a victim's place. You've been humiliated and the proceedings have been photographed. In the interest of justice do you want those pictures on the internet?

If appearing naked is the greatest humiliation a Muslim man can suffer, if it is, as so many have lately claimed, a far worse torture than that inflicted by Saddam, then who is guilty of a greater crime than 60 minutes, the program that magnified their torture by millions?


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Cartoon Politics from The Cool Blue Blog on May 9, 2004 3:06 PM

This whole Abu Ghraib story is so rife with cynical political opportunism it disgusts me more than the events themselves. And I believe this is true of most Americans as well. What's more, the stories behind the story is not Read More

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Man, if the whole media isn't playing these people like fools.

The "criminals are the real victims" defense isn't going to fly. The best Frederick and his crew can hope for is confinement somewhere other than Abu Ghraib.

Oh oh oh I know...Al Jazeera?

He keeps a journal. Isn't involved. His crime is in knowing about it and blowing the whistle? Splain, 'Loosy.

The only one guilty of a "greater crime" here is Mohammed himself, the pedophile prophet of the moon god. I would give my worthless soul to project myself a couple of hundred years into the future to see how this all turns out

In Rumsfeld's hearings on Friday, senators expressed outrage and congressmen expressed regret that the Pentagon hadn't given them a heads-up that this bombshell was about to drop.

Rumsfeld stated repeatedly that Kimmett had put out two press releases in mid-January stating that an investigation had been begun.

From the NYT story linked:

"Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year with virtually no response..."

Sounds as if the military brass weren't the ones who were asleep at the switch.

And if, as I understand, the photographs are evidence in an ongoing judicial matter and their release was, thus, illegal -- where is CBS's accountability for using them?

Would they use material from a US Court system trial ...say, the Peterson trial, that way? ohyeah -- nevermind.

I would just like to point out that, if Muslims really believed that being photographed naked in a pyramid was worse than being killed, that's what they'd be doing to "infidels." But they don't. They kill us with suicide bombings and by flying planes into buildings. Why are people buying this?

GH...your "updated thoughts" about "60 Minutes" role in perpetuating the humiliation reminded me of an old joke about an ignorant lumberjack using a chainsaw for the first time and cutting off a finger. He walks up to his tree boss with the bleeding stub and a running chainsaw in the "good hand" (which he did not know how to "kill") and shows the bloody mess to the boss, who in turn immediately asks, "How on earth did you do that"? The ignoramus triggers up the saw as he says (cutting off another finger) "Like this"!

Maybe, just maybe...some of those CBS producers will go tree trimming with a chainsaw in the near future.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004