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May 6, 2004

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Things that make you go hmmm...

By Greyhawk

Did CBS air its Abu Ghraib story out of fear that the New Yorker was going to beat them to the punch?

According to one source, CBS, in an effort to put some names, if not faces, to these seemingly invisible interrogators, approached veteran, Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative legend, Seymour Hersh. CBS hoped Hersh's stellar collection of intelligence and military sources could further identify some of the higher ups. It turned out he was working along similar lines himself.

Do you think CBS and The New Yorker got information from different sources? It seems unlikely that there were two leaks. It seems less likely that one of the recipients of that leaked info just coincidentally asked the only other recipient of that info if he had information on the topic - unless they knew he had the report too. And the report they both had gives amazing details about exactly who those "higher ups" were, so "further identification" seems like an odd request. Wonder who "one source" was - and why they need anonymity.

Note the linked story came out after the CBS bit aired, but just prior to the publication of the New Yorker story.

Update: The next two paragraphs from the linked story deal with the Pentagon's request to CBS to delay airing the story, in light of the level of violence in Iraq:

But when Gen. Richard Myers -- the highest-ranking military officer in the U.S. -- calls, attention is paid. Rather, as the Managing Editor of CBS News agreed to not run the segment on April 21.

Shortly afterwards, when Hersh learned about Myers' call to Rather, he was outraged, according to two knowledgeable sources. By Monday, April 26th, "he was fit to be tied," as one source put it. It was, after all, precisely this kind military 'cover-up' that lead to his ground-breaking expose of the now infamous My Lai massacre in 1968.

I didn't realize it was Hersh who broke the My Lai story. The guy has an amazing ability to get a story.

And he's the second figure from the My Lai episode to reappear in this modern version. (Gary Myers, Frederick's attorney, is the other.) What an incredible coincidence.

Update 2:

From Hersh's New Yorker Story:

On April 9th, at an Article 32 hearing (the military equivalent of a grand jury) in the case against Sergeant Frederick, at Camp Victory, near Baghdad, one of the witnesses, Specialist Matthew Wisdom, an M.P., told the courtroom what happened when he and other soldiers delivered seven prisoners, hooded and bound, to the so-called “hard site” at Abu Ghraib—seven tiers of cells where the inmates who were considered the most dangerous were housed.

And later:

The abuses became public because of the outrage of Specialist Joseph M. Darby, an M.P. whose role emerged during the Article 32 hearing against Chip Frederick. A government witness, Special Agent Scott Bobeck, who is a member of the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, or C.I.D., told the court, according to an abridged transcript made available to me, “The investigation started after SPC Darby . . . got a CD from CPL Graner. . . .

Such hearings generally aren't public. But reading this you'd think Hersh must have been there, or maybe knew someone who was.

Update again: Give up? The story continues here...


Posted by Greyhawk / May 6, 2004 3:12 AM | Permalink

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This is more slanted to a required reading post than anything else. First, Greyhawk puts the timeline together and then questions CBS's decision to air the photos. Their claim is that this was a competitive story and the New Yorker Read More

This is not going to be a good post, in language or in topic. If you want better thoughts, go to Castle Argghhh!, Blackfive (here and here), or Greyhawk (here, here, and here). First off, I'm fucking tired of the... Read More

I just can't get out of my head how angry I am at the photos out of Abu Ghraib. How damaging they are to us, our people, the mission. Images that will burn themselves in the retinas of people around... Read More

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Who is the other figure?

Wonder who "one source" was - and why they need anonymity.

Simple - because passing classified documents to a journalist is a federal offense...

Umm, not so fast with the Hersh praise. Yes, he was the guy who aired the Mai Lai story, but he is also the man who swallowed some ridiculous tales about Marilyn Monroe and JFK, causing his publisher to have to yank something like an entire chapter from his book just prior to release (see http://archive.salon.com/media/1997/10/13hersh.html for one article about the mess). It was a inexcusable mistake on his part -- anyone who has even a modest knowledge of Marilyn Monroe could tell you that the alleged documents signed by her were faked. But not Hersh, apparently. After that debacle, I now treat anything he writes with an appropriate amount of skepticism.

I keep thinking about those photos and how much they resemble gay and sadist porn. Could this be a case of don't ask, don't tell, that allowed some people into the service? If so, why aren't the left all criticizing the military for disriminating against people with minority sexual orientation.

(Before I get flamed, I'm being satirical.)

The other figure is Gary Myers, a defense attorney in the current case who was a defense attorney for William Calley.

"The abuses became public because of the outrage of"

having PICTURES! The story had been laying there since at least January 13, if not last October, but the media ignored it until there were PICTURES. Then the Pentagon asked for a delay in posting the PICTURES, not the story - so it was again put in the dead file until a newspaper said it would print some PICTURES!

Seems our media knows its readership as comic-book readers. It is no story to say "abuses by American and other troops at Iraqi prisons are being investigated: a number of officers and enlisted personnel have been transferred or relieved of duty pending further evidence", but it is a story to say "Look at these horrible PICTURES!"

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004