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March 22, 2004

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More on Peace Marches

By Greyhawk

Note: A previous entry here, including reports from my corner of the world.

A couple of illuminating comments from Smash's entry on the protests:

There are always freaks at these events, But don't let that blind you to the truth.

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Yes, please don't take these people as the norm. There are extremists and morons who don't know how things really are on both sides of the issues. Liberals like me have to deal with people like these, and conservatives have to deal with people such as extremists within the religious right.

Exceptions to the rule? Extremist? Comparable to those on the religious right?

You decide.

Start with a mirror of the overloaded San Francisco photo site, via Swanky Conservative.

Then visit Michael Totten, who has a collection of photos from anti-war rallies from around the world. (A commenter on Totten's blog dismisses them as "mostly foreign".)

Matt Margolis, Aaron and Tyler and others joined with a recently returned OIF vet in crashing the NY protest. They handed out Bush/Cheney buttons along the way.

Much to our surprise, as we walked back across the viewing area of Ground Zero, our worst fears were realized, for the protesters were standing in front of Ground Zero, with bullhorns, screaming words of hate and swearing, holding utterly tasteless signs in the shadows of the worst domestic attack of terrorism on American soil.

One of those signs was a "Stop Bush" banner with the 's' in Bush replaced with a swastika.

Not the norm? Out of the mainstream? For humanity, yes; for the left, no. And it should surprise no one that it's impossible to differentiate between the "throngs" in New York and their cousins across the Atlantic (on my current side of the pond, if you will), captured here.

Though there is a subtle difference in the Australian crowds. Which reminds me: Note to British and American socialists: Could you please remember to include Australian PM John Howard in your next "Axis of Evil" signs and banners? Really, your Aussie Komrades are feeling "left" out. Get it? Haha!

But really, visit the links, and after a while you'll realize they're all the same. Books, hate-filed signs, slogans, support of "Palestine", Bush is a Nazi! But fortunately, there's another similarity. Take a close look at the following two pictures and see what the "young socialists" literally "carrying the banners of their cause" have in common.

London (left) and San Fran (also left, but not below)

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"Young" socialists?

And while Blackfive found himself almost alone at the Chicago rally, another youngster discovered she was "an Army of One"

Even with the rallies planned well in advance, at least one protester got a little lost.

In Washington, one person found out too late that there would be no protest in that city. A woman in a baseball cap and sunglasses stood in front of the White House with a sign reading, "U.S. Out. U.N. In."

"It's always nice to do a protest with other people," said the woman, Linda Wilscam, 43, of Vernon, Conn. "It feels lonely today, to be honest."

Just wait another 20 years, darlin'.

Update: Via Instapundit, more youngsters reliving the glory days of 'Nam. Well, at least what they heard about 'Nam. Nice try, morons. Guess where those big sticks would be if I was at your protest?

Finally, sorry, I can't resist. From the San Francisco collection, the protestors have endorsed Not Bush for President:

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Posted by Greyhawk / March 22, 2004 11:27 PM | Permalink

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It was 216 miles to New York, we had a full tank of gas, rally signs, it was sunny, and we were wearing our Bush-Cheney buttons. The four of us (Free Republic member Javene, Tyler from Pardon My English and Matt from MattMargolis.com), hit the road fro... Read More

Interesting Things In The Blogosphere from Blackfive - The Paratrooper of Love on March 23, 2004 7:04 AM

Greyhawk at the Mudville Gazette has more on the protests. I found his update at the end to be very amusing. Darren Kaplan has a thoughtful post about the possibility of President Bush being able to actually prevent 9/11. Drill Read More

There were a few "anti-war" protests this weekend. None in Washington, I'm afraid, but a few dozen people apparently showed up in San Francisco and New York. Pretty much the hard core of the enemy's propaganda machine. Five. Minutes. Alone. Apparently,... Read More

Yesterday, I went to New York City with a few friends from Boston to counter-protest International ANSWER's anti-war/ anti-Bush/ pro-palestine/ anti-Israel/ pro-Mumia/ anti-capitalism/ pro-socialism/ pro-comunism /anti-America/ anti-Republican/ anti... Read More

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If the digusting signs and comments reflect a minority of the protestors, why haven't the majority forced the disgusting people out? Shouldn't there be a degree of social pressure, an attitude of "iew, get that filth away from me"?

Nope. It's the mainstream left in action. And they don't like being exposed like this, because while the New York Times and others simply refer to them as "peaceful protestors" (which they no doubt were) it's the blogs that expose them for the peaceful, traitorous, bloodthirsty moonbats they are.

Sorry, folks, but the left has these guys, and the right has the KKK.

Maybe I'll blog the next Aryan Nations meeting.

Aryan Nations -- yes, well -- I can bet you a year's pay if the AN, KKK and the other over- the -edge "right wing wackos" were parading around with vile signs like those you'd hear plenty of criticism and condemnation *from the right* / conservatives. I don't hear, read, or see any criticism from Democrats, liberals and/or the "left" about these things.

For instance -- Anyone heard from the ladies of the "September 11th Famiies for Peaceful Tomorrows?" about the NY sign? Funny there is no outrage about "I {love} NY Even More Without the World Trade Center" and the Israel and Bush signs with that oh-so-clever swastika instead of an S.

Someone on another blog wondered what so many disparate groups have in common. Answer: They hate America. And they hate George W. Bush. So I guess they hate a lot of you and me.

And remember -- it's all about Peace and Love, dudes.

Yeah, Reddy, I remember marching with the KKK in all those pro-war rallies.

Sorry to break the news Redseven but most of the aryans and neo-nazis are not so closeted socialist. Oh not in the red baby pre-marxist mold, but in the good old fashioned NATIONAL SOCIALIST mode of you-do-what-I-say-or-I-squash-you-with-the-apparatus-of-the-state totalitarianism, you know these guys, they are the ones carrying the red banners, and they are peoples of the reactionary LEFT. They have absolutely nothing to do with republicans or conservatives.

I live in a city (DC) where marches happen all the time. We have crazies on the left and right. It's hard for march organizers to control the message, so you're always going to get some fringe views expressed on signs etc.

Too bad that protesters on both sides get poked fun at like this because of the weirdos. These photo essays don't show the families and "regular" people with more "moderate" signs you tend to see more often. This applies to pro-life marchers and anti-war marchers and disability rights marchers and pro-Israel marchers, etc.

Call me crazy but I like an America where peaceful dissent is permitted and encouraged.

The genious of having the Republican National Convention in NY, after the Democrats have theirs, is the wackiest of the wacky will turn out in droves to protest. I think everytime they turn out with the puppetshow and illiterate signs Bush goes up in the polls.

In order to defend the left, you criticize the right, Right? Nobody was ever saved by someone elses sin. To point to something ( or someone) else as being as bad or worse, in order to excuse your own lack of responsibility is pure schoolyard idiocy. The left won't take responsibility for these 'extremists', because they secretely applaud them. They only pretend to distance themselves from such activity so as to appear legitimate. These people are traitorous.

ruprecht touches on a very valid point. Protesting has a negative effect on the cause championed. Funnily enough, in the days leading up to the Iraq war, public sentiment would shift to support the war every time a protest against it occurred.

Public protest, at least in this country, is counterproductive. You get farther with a well written letter to your reprasentative. I have zero fear that the majority of the Left is capable of writing such a letter.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004