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March 7, 2004

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Lemming Hunt

By Greyhawk

Shocking news: Turns out not all 911 survivors and relatives think exactly alike.

More than a dozen families who lost relatives in the Sept. 11 attacks released a letter Saturday declaring their support for President Bush and his use of images of the destroyed World Trade Center in campaign ads.

Expect a Pew Research poll to follow. Of course, the absolute level of absurdity to which this controversy could sink would be to let only 911 survivors have the right to vote.

Or perhaps this is even more absurd:

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry told Fox News Channel on Saturday that he personally believed that the ads were inappropriate.

Well, hell. If John Kerry says the ads are inappropriate then they gotta go. One thing for sure: September 11th 2001 won't happen during Kerry's presidency, by golly!

Meanwhile, there's something troublesome about the "firefighters support Kerry" theme that's been floating behind the lines of this story. A Union supports Kerry, but where do the rank and file stand? Among other requirements, being a Democrat in this day and age generally takes a "me first" attitude that just doesn't fit with the mindset of a fireman, anymore than with that of a soldier or a cop.

Has the backlash begun?

Jimmy Boyle, former president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, said he came up with the "Open Letter to America" after hearing that the president was being criticized for the ads.

"I don't think he's taking advantage of Sept. 11 and I feel that he's given us the leadership that we need," said Boyle, who said he will be voting for a Republican president for the first time in November.

Really it's becoming tiresome hearing the myth that any specific group supports either candidate. The vast majority of military people support the current president; likewise some do not. It's very likely that a minority of Vietnam veterans think Kerry's their man - probably a larger percentage of any other era's veterans. Maybe an even larger percentage of cops and fireman support the guy - certainly some do.

No surprise, perhaps, that this whole concept of groups supporting presidential candidates like so many lemmings seems to be driven by the one group that personifies such behavior more than any other (well, almost any other) - the media.


Posted by Greyhawk / March 7, 2004 4:49 PM | Permalink

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I'm a Veet-nam vet. Any other vet I know agrees with me: Kerry is a sellout and a traitor. He gave comfort to the enemy just a surely as did Hanoi Jane.

http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/index.php?p=31 has group behind the flak over the ads, also noticing who bankrolls them, is it any surprise?

I hate group identification. I'm a veteran, but don't have identical views as all vets. I mentioned my views of this here if you are interested. Diversity does not relate to skin color! Unions don't grasp the concept.

I am a professional fire fighter, a card carrying, dues paying member of the IAFF.
After reading about the comments made by the union president, Harold Shitburger, er...Schaitberger, I have never been so ashamed to be a member. I would also like to point out that no one ever asked me. About what I thought of Bush's ad or about supporting Kerry. Bush has every right to use images of 9/11 in his campaign. He was president at the time and his leadership since that day has been outstanding.
I can also tell you that most of the guys on my platoon support the war in Iraq. I don't agree with all of Bush's domestic policies, but he's doing the right thing by taking the fight to our enemies, instead of waiting for them to bring it to us, again. Kerry would have us sit on our asses and wait for another 9/11. And then what? He'd arrest them? Of course that won't help the people who die in the next attack. A defensive war cannot be won. As Patton once said "If the mountains and oceans can be overcome, then anything built by man can be overcome."
Whether Saddam had WMD's is irrelevant. Iraq is an object lesson to all those who would thumb their noses at us by attacking us or supporting those that do. I liken Iraq to a giant bug zapper we put in the neighbor's yard. Every jihady and would be martyr is flocking there to get a shot the "evil American Army". And while they're doing that they are not here in the states hijacking planes and detonating car bombs.
I lost 343 of my brothers on 9/11, along with 3000 civilians. In my opinion, we don't see those images enough.
NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET!

I've been a professional firefighter for ten years. Prior to that I spent eight years in the Army. Firefighters across the nation are disgusted with Harold Shaitberger and the union management. As connected as we are to the union, we are leaving it in record numbers. Many are staying and trying to make a statement from within. We will not tolerate a union that puts political and economic interests before our liberty.

We have recieved more funding under the current administration than any that have come before it. 400% more than in Clintons last term.

This is an argument we use against the union's rhetoric but it isn't the essence of why we support President Bush. This is a time for us to unite in our war on terror. This is a time for us to ask what we can do to help our communities and our country. This is not a time to use 9-11 for political and economic leverage. We support the war on terror waged in response to the loss of over 2000 civilians and our 343 brothers and sisters on 9-11. We are not under any false illusion of the realities of war or the fact that we are in this for the long hall. Firefighters are no stranger to tragedy, death, and service to country. We support our President and are proud of his leadership in this war on terror. If you think this is some propaganda letter read the upwards of 1000 post in the guest book at firefightersforbush.com
It's a pleasure and an honor to serve!!!

please visit www.firefightersforbush.com

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America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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The Mudville Gazette is written and produced by Greyhawk, who recently retired from 24 years of active duty in the US military, but will maintain this disclaimer: Unless otherwise credited, the opinions expressed are those of the author, and nothing here is to be taken as representing the official position of or endorsement by the United States Department of Defense or any of its subordinate components.

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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004