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February 20, 2004

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Two More for the Road

By Greyhawk

Nearly 500 people have seen the post below and thus far no answers.

But here are a couple more questions. (Almost seems unfair, I know.)

According to official John Kerry press releases,

John Kerry, who served two tours of duty in Vietnam commanding a Swift Boat in the navy, made it clear that as President, keeping faith with veterans would be a personal mission.

And I'm all for the "keeping faith" part. Problem is, according to a Kerry timeline in the Boston Globe:

December 1967: Kerry begins his first tour of duty, serving on the guided-missile frigate USS Gridley.

February 1968: With Kerry aboard, the Gridley sails into war to patrol the coast of Vietnam. He never came into contact with the enemy during this time.

June 6: Kerry's first tour ends as the Gridley returns home.

December: Begins second tour of duty as the skipper of swift boat No. 44, patrolling the Mekong Delta in southern Vietnam.

April 1969: Kerry ends his second and final tour in Vietnam.

To be gracious, that's 8 months total, four of which were relatively uneventful, and only one 4-month tour was as a commander of a boat. (And that tour was ended abruptly when Kerry abandoned his command after having received three minor injuries.)

The character of that service is open for discussion in the previous post. The point here is that the quote from Kerry's website "John Kerry, who served two tours of duty in Vietnam commanding a Swift Boat in the navy" is a deceptive one by any reasonable measure. The truth could have been told in very brief sentences, and Mr. Kerry should not be ashamed of the truth.

Is the remainder of the quote true? "...as President, keeping faith with veterans would be a personal mission."

Or just kinda-sorta-approximately true?

Later on in the Globe timeline we learn this:

January 3 1970: Discharged from the Navy.

Feb. 16 1978: Discharged from the US Navy Reserves

An inactive Reserve period? Not if CNN has it right

Military Service: Navy, 1966-1970; Naval Reserves, 1972-1978

That looks like a separate period of service, not a fulfillment of an obligation to inactive Reserve.

Obviously CNN is not a reliable source; no one there knows the difference between active and inactive Reserve status. But if Kerry was in the Reserves I'm not sure why he hasn't released his drill records. My fellow MilBloggers and I would certainly like to see them, I'm sure many other veterans would too. Maybe we could even show the Bush crowd what a real set of military records looks like.

And so my search begins. Of course, Mr. Kerry could save a lot of effort and just release the records now.


Posted by Greyhawk / February 20, 2004 3:47 AM | Permalink

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Anti-Party Questions from The Politburo Diktat on February 20, 2004 11:49 PM

Lying Reactionaries at Mudville Gazette: Two More for the Road try to hold Comrade Kerry to bourgeois truth-telling standards. In "objective sense," Comrade Kerry is telling truth. Do not inspekt.... Read More

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I cannot Trackback to this post. Do you have TB's enabled? Or is it me?

Aha. There's the little buggger now! :)

As a Vietnam-era vet who did not serve in-country, it is uncomfortable for me to marginalize the contribution and sacrifice of someone who was. But, frankly, I heard "two tours of duty" and presumed that Kerry served actual 12-13 month tours. That's how his campaign is presenting it. Now you can go to Amazon.com and buy a book by John Kerry about the Vietnam experience! Like a guy who was there for four or five months is the voice of everyone who served?

I was a military journalist during the war. A DINFOS trained killer (that's what they called us). In 1972, it was unlikely that I would have been assigned to to an air base in Vietnam, but possible. It was much more likely that I would have been sent to Thailand or Korea, but wasn't. Instead, I was assigned to Randolph Air Force Base, TX, to work in the 12th FTW/OI. During that time, the unit mission changed to include repatriation of returned POWs, return them to active duty and to train them to be instructor pilots. The U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy were on the cutting edge of new generation of instructor pilots: Survivors of actual combat in the air. Sen. John McCain, a real hero who is uncomfortable with the label (unlike Kerry who wears it like a teenager who leaves the tag on his baseball cap) has said, "It doesn't take much talent to get shot down." But it's what so many of those veterans did with their knowledge and experience afterward that make their sacrifices so valuable to our nation.

I am proud to have contributed in some small way towards that effort, and to have personally interviewed many of those ill-fated flyers. I have attended dozens of silver star award ceremonies, filmed them for television, recorded them for radio, and used the citations and interviews to write hometown news releases. The stories were gut-wrenching. If anyone deserved a hero's welcome, it was the returning POW.

Yet, when I returned home to the S.F. Bay Area after my release from active duty, even I was treated like a criminal. People actually called ME a baby killer. I can assure everyone reading this post, we didn't kill any babies in Texas. But that is the kind of irrational anti-war frenzy that was politically correct at the time. It's back with a vengeance, fueled by a self-serving media and a self-loathing populace. It makes me sick that a person can build a challenge for the Presidency upon his history of slandering and inciting hatred for American veterans, many of whose contributions were so much greater than his own.

Thanks very much, John Kerry. If we are to believe your testimony before congress (not an "interview" as it was recently depicted in the media), you are a war criminal. Or you are a horrible leader, unable to control the men under your command. Or you are a liar, and thousands of decent Americans who served honorably have suffered indignities and been shamed because of your political grandstanding and feeble attempts to achieve the star status of Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden.

Either way, you are unfit to serve. You really should have thrown away the medals.

Dennis Beck
Cuthbert, Georgia

the 4 months that Kerry served on a swift boat were hard months at least in I CORP. Do you really want to open a can of worms compare some of your awards with some Marine Grunts.
John Warner who was Secertary of the Navy held the standards for awards very high if you doubt it I have prof with his signature.
For years I would have nothing to do with vets I did not serve with because of exploation of vets after they got home.
The waste of such fine young men made a lot of ous sick. SEMPER FIDELIS Bruce Cader Bravo 1/5
Dec 68 thru Dec 69

Having served in the Corp during VietNam I saw many things I will never forget. We were labled everything from baby killers to warmongers. Kerry said he served two tours in Nam. Maybe so, in his mind. His record in the senate is as deplorable
as his record in action. The only way he kept his seat in the senate, in my view alone, is thru status. He grew up with the Kennedys, calls himself the next JFK. This is a man that will put this country in ruin with his far left thoughts. His idea, with a quote from one of his "running off's at the mouth" speaches, is to do away with the homeland security and treat the threat with "something like a neighborhood watch."
Some americans want everything handed to them , thinking big brother will meet the needs of the ones that do not wish to work. Gimmie-gimmie is all some want, to take and not return. People should stand by our Commander in Chief, President Bush, 100%, no faltering, as he has stood by us, the people of the United States of America.

Two tours of duty, more like what we vets call "two wannabe tours." Remember when Clinton would disembark from the helo, cameras rolling, the Marine guards always on duty, saluting the commander in chief pres. clinton, then ABOUT FACEING away from him, just a reminder of disrespect for the man himself, not his office. More can be expected if kerry is elected.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004