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February 13, 2004

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Ann Apology is Owed

By Greyhawk

Ann Coulter doesn't know what she's talking about on this one.

Cleland wore the uniform, he was in Vietnam, and he has shown courage by going on to lead a productive life. But he didn't "give his limbs for his country," or leave them "on the battlefield." There was no bravery involved in dropping a grenade on himself with no enemy troops in sight. That could have happened in the Texas National Guard – which Cleland denigrates while demanding his own sanctification.

More at Outside the Beltway, including a link detailing the accident in which Cleland lost his limbs.

Like the civilians insulting the President's service, Ann reveals a certain lack of insight.

I suggest she go to Walter Reed and visit the good troops who've lost limbs in similar circumstances in Iraq. Tell them they didn't give their legs for their country.

Or go find a couple of kids whose dad or mom was lost in an accident in Iraq. Tell them mommy wasn't brave.

From all accounts Cleland's service was above and beyond. Should he choose to impugn the service of the President or any other Guard or Reserve member, that's wrong and he deserves whatever scorn he gets for that.

But not for being a hero in time of war. An apology is called for, and I'm not in the mood for semantics issues. She said what she said, and she was wrong.


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I agree that she was wrong...but here is my question: Is there a record of the accident? The reason I ask the question is that while I very much doubt he deliberately inflicted those wounds on himself, the medical reports as well as his length of time over there would be the most damning of her statements. Refute her skeptical cynicism with the truth.


While I admire her for sticking up for Bush, and using logic to do so, it is too bad that she didn't use that same insight to lambaste Cleland on his Senate record rather than his service record. That would have been fair game as a public servant and duly elected official

Nothing wrong with stating the facts -- especially when Cleland seems to have been so loose with them.

I sent St. Ann's column to my brother, a Marine Corps veteran of Vietnam. Guess what. He agrees with St. Ann.

Cleland was injured in either a very unlucky accident or an act of utter stupidity. That's too bad but the bottom line is that he's not a wounded hero any more than a guy hurt in a peacetime training accident.
Coulter owes no apology for pointing that out.
I don't live in Georgia, I don't know that Cleland ever tried to claim wounded hee-row status. I do know that lots of Dems have tried to claim it for him. By that logic I should have gotten half a dozen medals for that unfortunate incident in Boot Camp's KP week involving the potato peeler. After all I spent more time in the hospital for sitting on a potato peeler and knicking an artery than I did for my second heart in Eye Corps.
There's a difference between getting wounded in action and injured in an accident.

Here's a link to a Pentagon webpage about how Max Cleland was REALLY wounded:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jan2000/n01272000_20001274.html

It also tells about his long recovery, and his work to make the VA serve veterans better.

And here's a link that describe's Cleland's Silver Star for gallantry in combat:

http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/stories/20021026/opinion/372490.html

Ann Coulter is a dirty liar. She's spitting on a Vietnam vet.

Ann Cvnt Coulter has taken it to a new low with this one.

There used to be a time when you didn't speak ill of a veteran, especially a wounded vet. Regardless of how his injuries were sustained, he came back home missing limbs.

This fucking cunt of a woman, herself never wearing the uniform, thinks she can smear him because of something she invents in her twisted mind? MOst of you pricks here probably jerk off to thoughts of her rancid snatch so no wonder you dont condemn this.

You really fucked up this time, Ann. You were more or less dismissed by any rational, sane person of either political persuaion prior to this but now you had to push it one step further. You really are a deluded lying beanpole who couldn't come if you wretched, miserable existance depended on it.

Ann Coulter is known for her cowardice and her incompetence, so it is no surprise that she would attack a man who (unlike "sissy boy" George Bush) was brave enough to go to war and bleed for his country. Like all Republicans, Coulter is a pampered, Un-American loser, who is all talk and no action. Niether Ann nor any member of her pathetic family, ever served in the millitary. While Democrats have bravely gone to war for our country, Republicans have hid out at National Guard bases and [deleted profanity] themselves. Republicans are parasites on America. Coulter is a jealous old hag, [deleted profanity]. Coulter is also a disgrace to America and a coward and traitor of the highest order.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004