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 Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! December 14, 2003 Saddam CapturedBy GreyhawkThe current #1 hero of the American Left is in custody. (Awaiting DNA results.) Suppose if he says he had no WMD the Lefties will believe it? And get ready, for the next time a US Soldier dies over there a media storm of "we've lost the war" coverage will exceed all previous attempts. It will "prove" that all Iraqis hate us, not just Saddam. The celebration in Mudville begins soon. 1156 UTC Update: Intrepid CNN reporter Jane Araf just said that since the average Iraqi doesn't have electricity or water the capture of Saddam won't mean that much to them. 1229 UTC Update from Reuters via MSNBC: (This posted during the press conference officially announcing the capture): LONDON - The capture of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in his hometown of Tikrit is a major coup for the U.S., but will not necessarily bring an end to the unrest in Iraq, analysts say. 1305 UTC update: I'll be first to admit when I'm in the wrong. Oliver Willis is the first left-leaning blogger to chime in, and can hardly contain his enthusiasm: "400 soldiers for one man. Nice exchange, pal. And yes, please do find Osama." Posted by Oliver at December 14, 2003 07:14 AM And DU is practically exploding with cheer today: "an illegal war...an illegal occupation. Bush should be tried before Saddam." 1530 UTC: NY Times in the sixth sentence in the story on the capture: "Some senior Bush administration officials have suspected that Mr. Hussein was still alive and inspiring, if not leading, the guerrilla-style insurgency that has left more than 190 American soldiers dead since President Bush declared an end to major combat operations on May. 1." 18:10 UTC: Being no friend of the media I can confirm what some of your readers have already told you when they say "you can hear the dejection in their voices" from the media. There's lots more on Instapundit (of course). And here's the text of the press conference from Baghdad, including interpretation of the Iraqi portions. The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq. The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the dictator's footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force. Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate them. Posted by Greyhawk / December 14, 2003 6:46 AM | Permalink 9 TrackBacksSaddam's been caught. AWESOME! U.S. believes Saddam captured Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein is believed to have been captured in a raid near his hometown of Tikrit, U.S. military officials say. However, the officials in Washington told CNN on Su... Read More Saddam Hussein has been captured in Iraq. I'm still waking up and not suitable for rational commentary yet, other than a simple "YES!" when I heard the news. So here's a quick roundup of the word around the blogosphere: The Read More Me and little Blackfive woke up this morning, turned on CBS expecting to see Nickelodeon's Sunday on CBS. And there is Dan Rather at 7:15 AM CST. Fox News has Bremer's announcement, "We got him!". Merry Christmas, Operation Red Dawn Read More CNN right now is reporting they JUST CAUGHT SADDAM HUSSEIN!!! YES!!! (Has not been 100% confirmed though). UPDATE: The first time I watch CNN in months, and this happens. Wow. It's not a 100% certainty, but they're getting "rumors" and... Read More They captured the Unabomber! Again. Ok so Saddam just thought that be looking like the Unabomber, he'd get away... Sanchez said the former leader was uninjured, "talkative and cooperative," after his capture in the raid, dubbed Operation Red Dawn. Um..... Read More bruce's comment is in reference to my comments over at muddville - where i voiced my original opinion that it is assinine to start up so soon with the left/right Read More Blackfive thinks Greyhawk was the first to the scene. Nope. He was in at 6:46 am, and I assume that was EST. I blogged the Saddam Hussein capture at 6:23. But I already know I wasn't the earliest, because I... Read More The Blogosphere is leading the way on another major news story, the capture of the butcher of Iraq Saddam Hussein, with some great composite and original coverage: Command Post Iraq: great composite coverage and occasional commentary The Truth Laid Bea... Read More 40 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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*sigh* that's a fricking assinine comment about the "Lefties"... and no, i am not a democrat. let it go, guy. let it go. saddam's captured. happiness. not bitterness.
Yea Greyhawk, Mumia is the #1 hero of the Left.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, my happiness knows no bounds.I meant only to predict a response from the left, which has already been borne out. Their consternation just adds to my sense of joy.
That's funny, I predicted your response in my comments on pandagon's site. And you really did misrepresent Oliver's post, didn't you?
The left's spin is utterly disgusting (600 soldiers that have lost comrades to this bastard capture him without a shot - and you try to spin THAT)...and will be their undoing.
Sym: Need a link please. I don't know Pandagon.
http://www.pandagon.net/mtarchives/000145.html
I claimed right-wing bloggers would take this opportunity to claim the left secretly loves Saddam. And then you did.
Time to bust out the Romeo & Julietas!!!!!
I don't think you left so much secretly loves Saddam as much as they secretly loved the fact that he wasn't found yet. The left hates this administration so much, they actually cheer when it fails, regardless of the costs.
oh. as opposed to when the right rants and howls when a democrat (namely bill clinton) even sneezes the wrong way... let it go. right? left? get in the damned middle where the people without the closed minds are.
Sym
"Secret?" I never used the term. And as I asked at Olivers, how did I "misrepresent" a verbatim post with a trackback link?
Clinton broke the law. He lied to a federal judge and a federal grand jury. He was disbarred for it in AK and DC. He was fined by the court for perjury. Oh! But the left says it is ok to rape women when ever you like. In this way they are very much like the Islamicists who say if a women reports being raped then she must be stoned to death... Nice lefty... down boy. Sit.
bush was a cokehead - but i don't go on and on bitching about it.
anyway. i am a fan of dubya. i was a fan of clinton. both had great qualities. it's about what works for the country - not choosing some derelict purely based on the fact that he/she is from your party. or in an ideal world, people would open their minds and realize this.
i am happy about this news. and i think the right/left/north/south bickering should cease.
Erin, apparently you do.
do go on about Bush using coke, that is
no. i posted once about it. i am not going to beat the dead horse into the ground on this day. i think it's poor form for any bashing (right or left) to be happening so soon after the good news.
"Clinton broke the law. He lied to a federal judge and a federal grand jury. He was disbarred for it in AK and DC. He was fined by the court for perjury. Oh! But the left says it is ok to rape women when ever you like."
Huh? That's one hell of a jump - from facts easily confirmed to innuendo based on fantasies.
You just can't get past the fact that Clinton was popular (he won two presidential elections with a majority of the electorate) and that all of the hatred was based on lies built on lies and not facts.
man, that "lefty hero" bull is so tired and sorry it's like listening to "righty" play that same skreeching song on the violin because it's the only one he knows. get the feeling he doesn't really give a crap about home and country, just being "right" ... that's where the real fun is, huh?? and hyperbole to boot ... yer boys put Saddam into power and gave him the weapons to kill all those folks--if he's anybody's lovefest, he's yours, and your messy divorce too. how gouche. whatever did your boys see in him, anyway??? oh yeah, all that sexy oil, sorry, forgot.
Oliver claims that this is Clinton's military.
But he's a thick-headed liberal who loves clinton and probably fantasizes him of ruining our economy again.
Why can't liberals understand that lying under oath is illegal? Is it that hard of a concept to grasp?
I'd like to see someone post evidence of Bush's coke addiction. Not OpEds. Evidence. I've asked for the same on my blog, but no one has found any as of yet. Liberals prefer to whine, cry, and stomp their feet. They don't care that there are no facts to back their claims.
I'm with you erin! Lets all join hands in the center! As a show of our togetherness we'll all not vote next year!
DOBA Geoffrey; "Dead on Balls Accurate".
I suppose Howard Dean will celebrate, because between Saddam's capture and Gore's endorsement Dean is now the absolute undisputed leader of the American Left.
MoveOn.org was founded on the idea that, well, yeah, Clinton abused women but can't we just move on?
Lefties still defend his right to abuse women any time he wants and then they turn around and say, "My God! Arnold groped some poor woman!"
Where was this moral outrage when Clinton was groping Willey in the oval office while her husband was across town blowing his brains out?
So which is it; bad... or forget it and lets just 'Move On'... lol
On another issue;
If Howie does not get the nomination then will you vote for the Green party?
Bruce.
i was commenting on this site to point out that it's pretty horrendous to already start with the right wing/left wing BS... and to "let it go" because it's tiresome.
both sides/both parties have issues - yes. i say to "let it go" - as far as the "clinton raping" women... i don't quite remember him being hauled off and arrested for that crime.
i suppose, if you were ever raped or sexually assaulted, then you can decide whether or not you can "let things go"...
i - CAN - let things go.
just like letting go of the fact that bush is a former coke addict and alcoholic, i don't think these personal issues should be relevant (although, i think a drug addiction is a little bit sketchier to have than, say, a sexual addiction - especially when a country is at stake) - as i said, i vote for who i think is good for the country.
i voted for clinton AND i voted for bush.
and i am not some idiot who just follows his party and spouts forth rhetoric like some lemming...
that said - i don't know if you got my point... i am happy for our country - i am happy for the Iraqis at the moment - i am happy for President Bush.
And I am happy that I am not stuck in the mire that you seem to be happy rolling around in.
i would have emailed you personally, but you seem to have entered a fake aol address when commenting...
all the best at letting it go...
erin
I think the odds of GW winning in 2004 just got better. DJIA will go up 500. First clue will be Aussie market - then Asian. Dollar falloff should end. You bet against the (post-Vietnam) US Military or the US economic output at your peril.
The freedom train is leaving the station. Maybe we will soon find out what exactly Russia, France, and Germany interests were that justified opposition to liberty and freedom of an entire nation. Of all nations on earth, these three have known the trauma of dictators yet failed to reach out to help fellow human beings in similar circumstances.
One other point: This proves that those who call for martyrdom are cowards; and those who follow such leaders are suckers.
And if the Iraqi people get this right, they will become the economic and political powerhouse of the Mid-East.
God bless the coalition forces, the people of Iraq, and all the freedom loving people of the world. This should not be a left/right issue.
Erin I'd like to congratulate you for letting go of the fact that Bush uses Coke. That's great that you can let that go, that thing about Bush using Coke. Also that you don't spout rhetoric, that's goods too. Also it's great the way you don't keep harping about the fact that Bush used Coke.
Because we all should just move on, away from that stuff about Bush using Coke. It doesn't matter that he used Coke. So that's why you let that go, right? Who really cares about his coke use. Lets all let it go. Coke coke coke.
Coke.
Also Bush used Coke, but I let that go.
Saddam Hussein is my Bitch!
ass.
letting that go too.
Greyhawk, you misrepresented Oliver's post because it was a comment on his post, not the actual post. He was responding to an a**hole commenter. When someone clicks the link, they don't actually see the words you qoute. You also left out "AWESOME!". You're Dowdifying him.
So you actually believe that everyone against the war loves Saddam, eh? That's a stupid thing to believe.
So Oliver didn't mean it? His comments are different then his posts?
Get a grip Sym. Far from Dowd, my quote of Oliver was direct, complete, and had a link for folks to follow and make up their own minds.
Your "everyone against the war loves Saddam" fabrication above contributes nothing, degenerates a debate, and brings credit to no one.
I note also that you are the arbiter of intelligence levels of belief. Is that a self-proclaimed position or were you appointed?
(Kidding Sym - the "that's a stupid thing to believe" is your opinion and you're welcome to it.)
Erin, thanks for proving my point. I ask for evidence of a coke addiction, then you ignore it and throw it right back out there. Slander works so much better when it doesn't have to be founded.
(Greyhawk's note: In the following comment Erin will refer to this comment I left at her site, included here for completeness:
Erin
People are entitled to their opinions. You have yours and others have theirs. People disagree. This isn't complicated, yet you are missing it, even while trumpeting loudly that WHY CANT EVERYONE AGREE WITH ME!!!???!!!
See the irony?
You've also arbitrarily labeled a lot of folks "Left wing" and "Right Wing" who probably wouldn't agree with you. Please refrain from choosing sides for other people. They'll choose their own.
Finally I'll note that you've descended into vulgarity. Sad.
I do hope you've enjoyed whatever traffic flow you may have gotten for trolling our debate though.
posted by: Greyhawk at December 14, 2003 07:58 PM )
Erins reply:
sorry... was trying to stay off of this pissant site... your fearful leader Grayhawk posted to mine and is implying that i was trying to drum up traffic by posting to this site. quite a laugh, pumpkin. quite a laugh. don't need the traffic, nor do i need to yap about bush's addictions - since that's the point i was trying to make... that it shouldn't (sorry, profanity deleted - ed.) matter... oooooh...yes... i used profanity. good luck with your site.
Am I the only one struggling to understand why she brought it up if it doesn't matter?
Erin
You have free speech here - I want folks to read and make up their own minds, and I usually find that left to themselves people will expose their true nature in short order - but I will ban your IP if you continue to post the sort of profanity I deleted from your above comment.
As a rule of thumb you may want to determine an "acceptable" level of profanity on any blog you visit prior to commenting. Try reading a couple posts for guidlines as to what may be aceptable.
I think you'll find this blog "pg-13".
If I am reading right, erin is upset at being acussed of loving Saddam. Also erin is urging "right wingers" to move toward the center.
What is the center? Are we talking geographically? Obviously not. We are talking about the center of political mass, and that resides in the opinion of the majority of American voters.
Some questions re binary in nature. Go to war, don't go to war. The war is right, or it is wrong. Capturing Saddam Hussein is either good, or bad. In these binary situations, there is not geographic middle path.
And right now, folks are looking at both sides. The vaste "middle ground" sees one side that was for the removal of Saddam, and freeing the Iraqi people. Whether this was done to benefit the US or not, is irrelevant. The people of Iraq are free of Saddam. For EVER.
Left to the "Left", Saddam would still be in power, and still feeling anguish over the deaths of the Iraqi people. I know it, you know it, and indeed most of the people on the planet know it.
And that is where the center is. Complaining about folks disagreeing with you is not going to convince them. Displaying sadness, anger or any other emotion than joy at his capture, is not going to sell well with that vaste center. Fairly or unfairly, your anger or sadness will be seen as support for Saddam, a man the Iraqi people do NOT want back.
That's life, deal with it.
America has been in a long way to have saddam hussein at hand, this is quite sad to me, but the indomitable lion of saudi arabia is beyond the capacity of C.I.A. and FBI. and they will no longer capture usama ibn laden, because he is being protected by the will of God Almighty.
America be careful with those muslims, i believe the reverse is the case, you will definitely ends-up in futility.