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December 9, 2003

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Dec 7, 2003 Part II: More on Hillary

By Greyhawk

More on Ms. Clinton's Sunday TV blitz (part one here):

FACE THE NATION CBS TV, DECEMBER 7, 2003

Interview with Sen. Clinton

MR. ROBERTS: And with us now is New York Senator Hillary Clinton. Good to see you this morning. Thanks for coming in.

SEN. CLINTON: Thank you. Good to be here John.

MR. ROBERTS: So Andy Card paints a pretty rosy scenario of what's going on in Iraq. Do you agree with him?

SEN. CLINTON: I think rosy scenario is alive and well in the White House these days based on what Mr. Card had to say. There are some things that are going right. My trip to Afghanistan and Iraq illustrated clearly to me that our troops are doing a great job under very difficult circumstances and that we are making some progress on the ground. But we have such a long way to go. And I think that one of the missing elements in our strategy thus far has been the president and the administration leveling with the American people about what it is we're up against, how long it's going to take, how much it's going to cost.

MR. ROBERTS: This is a rare moment where you seem at least be partially in agreement with Newt Gingrich.

(Laughter.)

SEN. CLINTON: Yes, I find myself amazed by that. I'm sure he's even more so. He has apparently written quite a critical piece of the administration's policy in Iraq. And in –

MR. ROBERTS: Accusing them of going over a cliff in the post-war period.

SEN. CLINTON: That's right. And pointed out some of the deficiencies in the - on the ground operation in Iraq. No reasonable person looking at the facts can't see that there are some real problems that we have to deal with. I don't think happy talk is a substitute for a policy. And maybe they'll listen to Newt Gingrich. They certainly haven't listened to anybody else.

MR. ROBERTS: You've talked about the need to internationalize the operation there. What do you mean when you say internationalize? How can it be more internationalized than it is already? You already have troops from a number of different countries there. You have a number of different countries participating in the rebuilding.

SEN. CLINTON: Well what I have in mind is something more in the order of both what we did in Bosnia and Kosovo in the Clinton Administration.

Well, that's certainly a lot of emphasis on Mr Gingrich's statements. And what did Mr. Gingrich say? Did he call for "internationalizing" Iraq? Did he endorse the Kosovo model? What a surprise to find him on Meet the Press:

MEET THE PRESS, NBC TV, DECEMBER 7, 2003

Interview with Newt Gingrich

TIM RUSSERT: And we are back. Speaker Gingrich, welcome back.

MR. GINGRICH: Good to be here.

MR. RUSSERT: You gave an interview to Newsweek magazine, which will be on the newsstands tomorrow, and you said, "The administration has gone off a cliff" in terms of Iraq. Explain that.

MR. GINGRICH: No, what I said was that after the brilliant military campaign of 23 days, that we went off a cliff after that in the sense that the small military worked and was right if you were going to rapidly convert Iraqis into policing their own country and if you were going to be the reinforcer of an Iraqi system, not the enforcer of an American system. And the mistake we made -- if you look at Afghanistan, it took us three weeks from the fall of Kandahar to recognize Karzai, and five weeks after that he was at the State of the Union sitting next to Mrs. Bush. And from that point on, it was clear that the Americans were helping the Afghans; they weren't trying to police Afghanistan, which is an impossible challenge. I think the cliff we have gone off that we need to get back on is to put the Iraqis at the center of this equation, not foreign governments, not the U.N., not more American troops. Put the Iraqis at the center of this equation and recognize that most Iraqis do not want to go back to a brutal, murdering, raping dictatorship. Most Iraqis want to have an organized way of governing themselves, but they want to be in charge of their own country.

MR. RUSSERT: But there are those who say if you try to do that today or in the next few months, you would have chaos, anarchy and a civil war, because the Iraqis are not capable of securing their own country at this point.

MR. GINGRICH: Look, I don't believe we should be arguing about American commitment in Iraq. The only exit strategy in Iraq is victory.

Sounds more in line with Mr. Cards comments then Ms Clintons. Not sure why his statements aren't labeled as "rosy".

The only amazing aspect of this situation is that somehow the Democrats and the media have somehow latched on to Newt Gingrich as the voice of reason in the Republican party. Stop and think about that one a while. In the "contract with America" days they couldn't discredit the man enough, and now he's their font of reason, wisdom, and knowledge.

So if Newt's on Hillary's team, then who's in charge of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy? Because Ms. Clinton thinks it's alive and well (and out to get her)...

Part III here


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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004